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Comment author: Lumifer 04 August 2015 06:13:40PM *  2 points [-]

I think that if someone is generally presenting as female we should let them use women's bathrooms if they want to. The obvious objections to this seem to be (1) ewww (which I suggest is not an argument)

Let me reformulate this as an argument :-D

Imagine a gym, or an athletic club. A pre-op transsexual presenting as a female shows up and you direct him/her to the women's locker room and showers. Soon after that a group of very irate (biological, conventional, mainstream, cis, heterosexual, not-quite-sexually-liberated) women show up and demand to know what someone with a dick is doing in their showers staring at their tits. Your response?

Comment author: Jiro 04 August 2015 10:05:54PM 2 points [-]

"You'd allow a lesbian in the room who is excited by staring at your tits. The correct course of action in that case is to just prohibit the staring, rather than to prohibit the person's presence in the room. Do that here too."

(Although now that I think of it that might not work because the same reasoning means they should allow ordinary men in the room too.)

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 05 August 2015 12:25:54AM 1 point [-]

Yes, like I said elsewhere dealing with homosexuals is a separate problem here. There are ways to solve it as well, the PC-minded won't like them either.

Comment author: Lumifer 04 August 2015 11:34:56PM *  0 points [-]

The correct course of action...

You are not talking to LW. You are talking to, let me remind you, "a group of very irate (biological, conventional, mainstream, cis, heterosexual, not-quite-sexually-liberated) women". You try telling them to think of the dick-owner as a lesbian and in the best case neither them nor any of their friends set foot in you gym ever again. In the worst case you'll find yourself talking to cops in the near future and to a large bunch of lawyers soon after that.