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Comment author: [deleted] 03 August 2015 04:28:20AM 0 points [-]

Just from reading the wiki page: it has a critique of a transhumanist society?

Comment author: gwern 04 August 2015 08:35:41PM 0 points [-]

Yes; it's strongly implied that being an upload is great, but however Deva has been captured by a tyranny which deliberately keeps resources restricted in order to force ems to scramble for survival and compliance with the central government in order to stay alive, and which reacts to events by doubling down on control & liquidation of dissenters and outside elements. (So you could easily read this as a critique of North Korea, with Deva=Pyongyang.) Which is entirely true and I expect that an upload society could very easily tilt into an even more extreme totalitarian tyranny between the evolutionary pressures and direct modification of minds.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 August 2015 11:10:29PM 0 points [-]

That sounds like a very badly done transhuman society.

Comment author: lmm 06 August 2015 07:42:38AM 1 point [-]

What's the point of comparison? Our best political theorists have not managed to make good societies. Look at real wages over the last few decades.

Comment author: Lumifer 06 August 2015 04:31:31PM 1 point [-]

Look at real wages over the last few decades.

Whose real wages?

I haven't looked, but I suspect that global real wages went up.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 August 2015 12:41:18PM -1 points [-]

Before we even make this comparison, I find it extremely hard to believe that the fall in real wages over the past few decades was created by following the advice of our best political theorists. Neoliberalism has not been known for listening to theorists.

Comment author: gwern 06 August 2015 09:14:15PM 0 points [-]

If it wasn't imperfect, there wouldn't be much of a story. I think it's a well done transhuman society simply because it's bad in a way that is not just possible but a pretty plausible extrapolation: someone is usually root.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 August 2015 03:32:50AM 0 points [-]

Ah. So you're only really interested in bad things.