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Comment author: cousin_it 04 August 2015 07:28:24PM *  6 points [-]

Wikipedia on Chalmers, consciousness, and zombies:

Chalmers argues that since such zombies are conceivable to us, they must therefore be logically possible. Since they are logically possible, then qualia and sentience are not fully explained by physical properties alone.

That kind of reasoning allows me to prove so many exciting things! I can imagine a world where gravity is Newtonian but orbits aren't elliptical (my math skills are poor but my imagination is top notch), therefore Newtonian gravity cannot explain elliptical orbits. And so on.

Am I being a hubristic idiot for thinking I can disprove a famous philosopher so casually?

Comment author: Manfred 04 August 2015 08:44:55PM 3 points [-]

The truth is usually simple, but arguments about it are allowed to be unboundedly complicated :P

Which is to say, I bet Chalmers has heard this argument before and formulated a counterargument, which would in turn spawn a counter-counterargument, and so on. So have you "proven" anything in a publicly final sense? I don't think so.

Doesn't mean you're wrong, though.

Comment author: iarwain1 04 August 2015 09:53:25PM 1 point [-]

The question is, how do I tell (without reading all the literature on the topic) if my argument is naive and the counterarguments that I haven't thought of are successful, or if my argument is valid and the counterarguments are just obfuscating the truth in increasingly complicated ways?

Comment author: [deleted] 05 August 2015 01:23:05AM 1 point [-]

You either ask an expert, or become an expert.

Although I'd be wary of philosophy experts, as there's not really a tight feedback loop in philosophy.