So do you want to define "rationality" as a kind of reasoning? Reasoning is an opaque mental process and, for example, does not include acting which is a large part of instrumental rationality.
When I use the word reasoning, I really mean both the system 1 and 2 cognitive processes. By rational I basically mean reasoning (system 1 and 2) done well. Where done well, is defined based on your most trusted source. For us this is science, so logic, probability, decision theory etc. for system 2.
Hold on, that's new. Are you claiming that (proper) values are a part of rationality and that rationality will tell you what your values should be? I think I am going to loudly object to that. Maybe you can provide an example to show what you mean?
I don’t know what “proper” would mean. I am talking about coherence which means that its “properness”, I suppose, depends on its context, i.e. the other pre-existing values. I will give you some examples. I will assume that you already know the difference between wanting and liking.
I would need to write a full post on the details, but that is just a general idea of what I mean. You also consider the values of others that you are interconnected with and care about.
Hm, that's an interesting approach. Then you'd consider rationality a kind of skill -- a skill like writing essays or programming? This is probably worth exploring further.
I don’t see how you can view it as anything but a skill. This is because epistemic rationality, for example, is only valuable instrumentally. It helps makes more rational decisions, but the truer beliefs it causes need to be applied to actually be useful and improve your rationality. If you spend lots of effort creating true beliefs and then compartmentalize that knowledge and don’t apply it, you have effectively gained nothing in terms of rationality. That’s my view anyway. I don’t know how many people would agree. An example is Aumann, he knows a lot about rationality, but I don’t think he is rational because it looks to me like he believes in non overlapping magisteria.
So, yes, it's complicated. I have issues with listening to "It's not rational to value/desire this", but I have much less issues with "The price for this action that you want to do is really high, are you quite sure you want to pay it, that doesn't look rational". I am not sure where the proper boundary is.
I agree with you on this and your other points on how value is complex. I think that to say that: “it is rational to value/desire this” there needs to a ‘because’ after that statement. No value/desire is rational or irrational in and of itself. It is only irrational or irrational in a context. That is, because of its relation to other values or the costs to fulfil it etc.
Right now, I am thinking that I need to make the base concepts of rationality more solid before I can move into what rationality is for this compendium.
This is my first attempt at defining things. My goal is to define things in a programatic kind of way. This means that the concepts should follow: single responsibility, loose coupling, yagni etc. Let me know what you think.
The goal of the definitions is just to highlight the right areas in concept space. They are drafts and will obviously need more detail. I would also need to submit them as posts and see if others agree.
I am thinking that there should be two basic areas: system 1 and system 2 rationality. Where rationality, in its most basic form, means done well (this will need to be expanded upon). The goal of the two areas is to define what it is we are referring to when we say that something is rational or irrational. There are two areas so that we can distinguish rationality/irrationality in formal reasoning vs. your intuitions or what you actually do vs. what you think you should do.
There are also skills or general topics which describe groups of techniques and methods that can be used to improve your rationality in one or both of the two areas of it. Using these skills means that you apply them using volitional effort. It is noted, however that if you use these skills often enough they are likely to become embedded in your system 1 processes.
There may be more skills, but I think the main ones are below:
rational I basically mean reasoning (system 1 and 2) done well. Where done well, is defined based on your most trusted source.
I am not sure I understand -- is "most trusted source" subjective? What if Jesus is my most trusted source? And He is for a great deal of people.
I am talking about coherence which means that its “properness”, I suppose, depends on its context, i.e. the other pre-existing values.
Do you think it could be reformulated in the framework where values form tree-like networks with some values being "deep" or "...
A perfect rationalist is an ideal thinker. Rationality ↓, however, is not the same as perfection. Perfection guarantees optimal outcomes. Rationality only guarantees that the agent will, to the utmost of their abilities, reason optimally. Optimal reasoning cannot, unfortunately, guarantee optimal outcomes. This is because most agents are not omniscient or omnipotent. They are instead fundamentally and inexorably limited. To be fair to such agents, the definition of rationality that we use should take this into account. Therefore, a rational agent will be defined as: an agent that, given its capabilities and the situation it is in, thinks and acts optimally. Although it is noted that rationality does not guarantee the best outcome, a rational agent will most of the time achieve better outcomes than those of an irrational agent.
Rationality is often considered to be split into three parts: normative, descriptive and prescriptive rationality.
Normative rationality describes the laws of thought and action. That is, how a perfectly rational agent with unlimited computing power, omniscience etc. would reason and act. Normative rationality basically describes what is meant by the phrase "optimal reasoning". Of course, for limited agents true optimal reasoning is impossible and they must instead settle for bounded optimal reasoning, which is the closest approximation to optimal reasoning that is possible given the information available to the agent and the computational abilities of the agent. The laws of thought and action (what we currently believe optimal reasoning involves) are::
Descriptive rationality describes how people normally reason and act. It is about understanding how and why people make decisions. As humans, we have certain limitations and adaptations which quite often makes it impossible for us to be perfectly rational in the normative sense of the word. It is because of this that we must satisfice or approximate the normative rationality model as best we can. We engage in what's called bounded, ecological or grounded rationality ↓ . Unless explicitly stated otherwise, 'rationality' in this compendium will refer to rationality in the bounded sense of the word. In this sense, it means that the most rational choice for an agent depends on the agents capabilities and the information that is available to it. The most rational choice for an agent is not necessarily the most certain, true or right one. It is just the best one given the information and capabilities that the agent has. This means that an agent that satisfices or uses heuristics may actually be reasoning optimally, given its limitations, even though satisficing and heuristics are shortcuts that are potentially error prone.
Prescriptive or applied rationality is essentially about how to bring the thinking of limited agents closer to what the normative model stipulates. It is described by Baron in Thinking and Deciding ↓ pg.34:
The behaviours and thoughts that we consider to be rational for limited agents is much larger than those for the perfect, i.e. unlimited, agents. This is because for the limited agents we need to take into account, not only those thoughts and behaviours which are optimal for the agent, but also those thoughts and behaviours which allow the limited agent to improve their reasoning. It is for this reason that we consider curiousity, for example, to be rational as it often leads to situations in which the agents improve their internal representations or models of the world. We also consider wise resource allocation to be rational because limited agents only have a limited amount of resources available to them. Therefore, if they can get a greater return on investment on the resources that they do use then they will be more likely to be able to get closer to thinking optimally in a greater number of domains.
We also consider the rationality of particuar choices to be something that is in a state of flux. This is because the rationality of choices depends on the information that an agent has access to and this is something which is frequently changing. This hopefully highlights an important fact. If an agent is suboptimal in its ability to gather information, then it will often end up with different information than an agent with optimal informational gathering abilities would. In short, this is a problem for the suboptimal (irrational) agent as it means that its rational choices are going to differ more from the perfect normative agents than the rational agents would. The closer an agents rational choices are to the rational choices of a perfect normative agent the more that the agent is rational.
It can also be said that the rationality of an agent depends in large part on the agents truth seeking abilities. The more accurate and up to date the agents view of the world the closer its rational choices will be to those of the perfect normative agents. It is because of this that a rational agent is one that is inextricably tied to the world as it is. It does not see the world as it wishes it, fears it or has seen it to be, but instead constantly adapts to and seeks out feedback from interactions with the world. The rational agent is attuned to the current state of affairs. One other very important characteristic of rational agents is that they adapt. If the situation has changed and the previously rational choice is no longer the one with the greatest expected utility, then the rational agent will adapt and change its preferred choice to the one that is now the most rational.
The other important part of rationality, besides truth seeking, is that it is about maximising the ability to actually achieve important goals. These two parts or domains of rationality: truth seeking and goal reaching are referred to as epistemic and instrumental rationality. ↓
As you move further and further away from rationality you introduce more and more flaws, inefficiencies and problems into your decision making and information gathering algorithms. These flaws and inefficiencies are the cause of irrational or suboptimal behaviors, choices and decisions. Humans are innately irrational in a large number of areas which is why, in large part, improving our rationality is just about mitigating, as much as possible, the influence of our biases and irrational propensities.
If you wish to truly understand what it means to be rational, then you must also understand what rationality is not. This is important because the concept of rationality is often misconstrued by the media. An epitomy of this misconstrual is the character of Spock from Star Trek. This character does not see rationality as if it was about optimality, but instead as if it means that ↓:
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