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Here's what the conversation felt liked from my perspective:
Christian: Please show how L. Ron Hubbard and Korzybski have different views about what causes the ills in society
Matt: L. Ron believes that aliens cause the ills, Korzybski does not. I
Christian: Korzybski would say it doesn't matter if you call them aliens.
That seems like a very odd response to me. Believing there are aliens that live among us is not just a word, it makes material predictions at the fabric of what's wrong and how to fix it. It's a foundational difference in what's at the core of the problem.
No, I asked for whether there disagreement between the two. Hubbard said basically that he mixed General Semantics with Cybernetics. Then he added a few of his own ideas. I'm not aware that he argued that either General Semantics or Cybernetics is wrong. Rather that they are incomplete.
Scientology has certain exercises that supposedly fix the issue. Whether or not those exercises are helpful has little to do with the question of whether it's aliens.
Lukeprog reported that he got a lot of value from those exercises: http://lesswrong.com/lw/58m/build_small_skills_in_the_right_order/
I think you fail at steelmanning Ron Hubbard and simply go for cheap shots. That's okay when you simply want to find reasons to not go to scientology but it's not helpful for understanding the underlying ideas.