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Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 17 August 2015 08:21:15AM 0 points [-]

Presumably mass products have some QA that goes beyond what I routinely expect of a food startup like Meal Squares. I may be wrong but maybe it'd help of they'd explain their production process.

Comment author: Lumifer 17 August 2015 03:07:32PM *  1 point [-]

Producing food for sale to the public is heavily regulated in the first world. The regulations do not have exceptions for startups.

Comment author: ChristianKl 17 August 2015 08:48:41PM 0 points [-]

In Germany actual foot safety you get at the store down the street is at higher QA than the law requires. Our supermarkets often do toxicity tests with higher standards than the law requires and don't simply trust the manufacturer of a product.

If you have direct to consumer sales you don't have an intermediary doing QA.

On the other hand a US supermarket might not have strong QA.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 17 August 2015 08:11:38PM 0 points [-]

But experience shows that smaller (or less sophisticated/mature) businesses don't handle (or even know about) all the regulations as well as large ones. De jure you are right but de facto you are not.

Comment author: Lumifer 17 August 2015 08:16:09PM 1 point [-]

de facto you are not

If you're claiming de facto, I would like to see some evidence :-P

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 18 August 2015 08:20:39PM 0 points [-]

It is more difficult to come up with evidence than I expected but at least I found this

http://www.jnbit.org/upload/Hyland_Kennedy_Mellor-2-2-2004.pdf

The analysis of data from 632 firms from both OECD and non-OECD countries indicates that in general, SMEs [small/medium enterprises] have used advanced technologies less than larger firms in the past and received a lower payoff. They also expect to use such these technologies less in the future.

Comment author: Transfuturist 17 August 2015 10:22:25PM 0 points [-]

I believe in this instance he was reasoning alethically. De facto you are not necessarily correct.

Comment author: HungryHobo 17 August 2015 11:21:57AM 0 points [-]

You'd think so but in the past that hasn't always been the case. In the UK they had the tesco-horse-meat thing (meat was supposed to be beef) and in ireland there was a case where huge quantities of animal feed were contaminated and as a result meat from the animals was quite highly contaminated and there was a massive recall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Irish_pork_crisis

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 17 August 2015 01:47:55PM *  0 points [-]

But that seems to be the exception not the rule. What percentage (0..1) of mass products (counting product line, not item) do you think fails your minimum QA?

I think at least this number fails my QA criteria

I think at most this number fails my QA criteria

(give 0.0 and 1.0 to see results)

Submitting...

Comment author: HungryHobo 17 August 2015 04:59:38PM *  0 points [-]

Well, going on research run by a government council rather than a PA firm for a supermarket or retailer...

http://www.leicester.gov.uk/news/news-story-details?nId=81297

Removed actual figure so that people can guess before clicking through.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 17 August 2015 08:09:43PM 0 points [-]

Hm, that is interesting but addresses the opposite of mass products: locally produced and labelled meat products. For those my estimates would look much different.

Comment author: HungryHobo 18 August 2015 10:38:50AM 0 points [-]

Where did it say they were locally produced? Takeaways don't normally slaughter their own lamb.

Normally they buy from wholesalers and large suppliers.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 18 August 2015 07:51:55PM 0 points [-]

Right and the the mass product chain thus ends at the wholesaler.