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MrMind comments on Robert Aumann on Judaism - Less Wrong Discussion

2 Post author: iarwain1 21 August 2015 07:13PM

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Comment author: MrMind 07 September 2015 09:31:47AM 0 points [-]

and is impossible without being religious

I don't really understand this... "Impossible"?

Comment author: entirelyuseless 07 September 2015 12:55:27PM 2 points [-]

Right, it really depends on the individual. It would probably be impossible for Robert Aumann to find it beautiful without being religious, but some people could.

Comment author: shminux 12 September 2015 07:42:59AM 0 points [-]

"The observance of the Sabbath" makes no sense, and the ritual itself certainly isn't all that beautiful to an outsider.

Comment author: entirelyuseless 12 September 2015 01:03:08PM *  0 points [-]

He explains why he thinks it makes sense, namely that it is good for human beings to have a day off from time to time, and that people will be less likely to do this if they don't have a fairly strict rule about it. How does that not make sense?

Regarding the second thing, Aumann is not an outsider, so it is not relevant to his reasoning. He doesn't say anywhere in that interview anything like, "everyone should accept Judaism."

Comment author: shminux 12 September 2015 06:28:26PM 0 points [-]

I did not say he was an outsider, just that the ritual would likely not be "extremely beautiful" to one, according to Aumann. Certainly a day of rest is generally a good thing, few people disagree. But useful and beautiful are not at all the same thing. His argument, as quoted, was completely backwards from the usual ones ("you have to observe Sabbath if you are Jewish"): "Sabbath ritual is beautiful, but one must be religious to observe it, so I better be religious". Whether he really thought that or not, I do not know.