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49 Post author: PhilGoetz 24 August 2015 08:13PM

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Comment author: advancedatheist 25 August 2015 03:43:23AM 8 points [-]

Yeah, if you want to turn more and more adolescent boys into adult male virgins who lack the skills they need for living in a society full of self-directed women.

I honestly don't understand some transhumanists' obsession with sexbots, especially coming from men who have had organic sexual experiences with women - namely, with women who felt attracted to them. (I distinguish those from alienated sexual experiences with prostitutes.)

Comment author: PhilGoetz 25 August 2015 05:27:36AM *  8 points [-]

Yeah, if you want to turn more and more adolescent boys into adult male virgins who lack the skills they need for living in a society full of self-directed women.

I do!

It's good for men who don't want love, but just want sex.

It's good for women, because it filters out the men who don't want love, but just want sex.

It's good for me, because it reduces the competition!

Comment author: HungryHobo 27 August 2015 10:34:33AM 1 point [-]

Don't women get any sexbots?

Comment author: Viliam 25 August 2015 08:12:08AM 0 points [-]

I honestly don't understand some transhumanists' obsession with sexbots, especially coming from men who have had organic sexual experiences with women - namely, with women who felt attracted to them.

Even loving women sometimes have imperfections, such as being jealous of other loving women, or angry when I decide to ignore them and play computer games instead. Sexbots, in theory, could be perfect.

Also, even if someone has their "organic experience", they may still wish the sexbots for the others.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 August 2015 01:01:28PM 0 points [-]

Even loving women sometimes have imperfections, such as being jealous of other loving women, or angry when I decide to ignore them and play computer games instead. Sexbots, in theory, could be perfect.

I don't like you using words like "imperfections" or "perfect" because the reality of interpersonal relationships is more complicated than that. EY talked about this issue in his post Interpersonal Entanglement. I don't think isolated cases of imperfections are intrinsically meaningful, I mean maybe being jealous is not that important to preserve, I'm not sure about that, but the underlying reality behind those cases of imperfections is pretty damn important to me - that there's a sentient thinking being behind all that imperfection.

In a nutshell—sex/romance, as we know it now, is a primary dimension of multiplayer fun. If you take that fun and redirect it to something that isn't socially entangled, if you turn sex into an exclusively single-player game, then you've just made life that much simpler—in the same way that eliminating boredom or sympathy or values over nonsubjective reality or individuals wanting to navigate their own futures, would tend to make life "simpler". When I consider how easily human existence could collapse into sterile simplicity, if just a single major value were eliminated, I get very protective of the complexity of human existence.

I think the most important aspect of romance is that thing EY was talking about: that it's social, that there are real human beings interacting with each other which makes it unpredictable, and complicated sometimes, but that's part of the fun. The pure hedonistic gratification of sexual acts is important too, but not as important as the former, otherwise I'd be fine with porn and fapping for all eternity. I think you post implies that you think there's something different that is important, what is that thing?