You're looking at Less Wrong's discussion board. This includes all posts, including those that haven't been promoted to the front page yet. For more information, see About Less Wrong.

Username comments on Open Thread - Aug 24 - Aug 30 - Less Wrong Discussion

7 Post author: Elo 24 August 2015 08:14AM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (318)

You are viewing a single comment's thread.

Comment author: Username 24 August 2015 04:26:33PM 5 points [-]

Heh. Qualify this under "crazy ideas". Chinese tech companies are motivating programmers by hiring cheerleaders. It would be interesting to know if this increases productivity. Do cheerleaders help improve results sports teams?

Comment author: Stingray 24 August 2015 05:53:31PM *  8 points [-]

That depends on what you consider to be the main purpose of a sports team - winning matches or providing entertainment and selling tickets to their games.

Comment author: WalterL 24 August 2015 07:28:15PM 13 points [-]

My instinct is that cheerleaders don't improve results for sports teams, but that that also isn't their function.

On the original topic, I've actually encountered the situation of "environment filled with dude programmers with poor social skills suddenly gets a few very attractive ladies who have incentives to be nice to them." My frat went co-ed senior year.

To put things mildly, productivity did not improve.

On the other hand, a lot more guys wanted to join up. So my guess is that the office cheerleaders do not make existing programmers more productive (and may in fact do the opposite), but that they may make the office more desirable as a work environment to prospective hires.

Comment author: Lumifer 24 August 2015 06:01:10PM 4 points [-]

They don't seem to be exactly cheerleaders. Their function seems to very similar to that of hostesses in nightclubs.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 24 August 2015 10:10:41PM *  3 points [-]

Possibly. It depends what you hire them to do. See "The Wolf of Wall Street" for an example of effective (in the short term) motivation.

Comment author: cousin_it 24 August 2015 08:31:42PM *  5 points [-]

The best response to that article that I've seen so far:

Sure, blue balls always help me code better

-- burgerissues on reddit

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 26 August 2015 04:05:58PM 0 points [-]

Related:

  1. most people want to socialize with the opposite sex, and are unhappy (and hence unproductive) if they can’t;
  2. the conscious reasons for wanting to socialize with the opposite sex often have nothing to do with “fluid exchange” (to use the John Nash character’s phrase from A Beautiful Mind),
  3. let he (or she) who is without subconscious Darwinian motivations cast the first stone,
  4. human beings didn’t evolve to live their lives in an 85%-male environment,
  5. by the Pigeonhole Principle, not every straight male will be as lucky as I was to find a girlfriend in the remaining 15%, and
  6. computer science departments could attract and retain better people of both sexes if they felt less like monasteries or pirate ships.

-- Scott Aaronson

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 29 August 2015 07:31:48PM 4 points [-]

computer science departments could attract and retain better people of both sexes if they felt less like monasteries or pirate ships.

I could cite numerous examples suggesting otherwise, NASA during the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo era being the most famous.

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 30 August 2015 08:30:06PM 0 points [-]

Details?

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 31 August 2015 01:03:28AM 3 points [-]

Well mission control and the astronaut core were all male. Didn't seem to interfere with their ability to attract and retain top talent.

Comment author: Lumifer 26 August 2015 04:33:06PM 1 point [-]

Never saw a CS department that looked like a monastery. As to pirate ships, well... :-D