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Comment author: David_Bolin 28 August 2015 12:36:45PM *  0 points [-]

It is not that these statements are "not generally valid", but that they are not included within the axiom system used by H. If we attempt to include them, there will be a new statement of the same kind which is not included.

Obviously such statements will be true if H's axiom system is true, and in that sense they are always valid.

Comment author: TezlaKoil 28 August 2015 01:27:58PM *  3 points [-]

It is not that these statements are "not generally valid"

The intended meaning of valid in my post is "valid step in a proof" in the given formal system. I reworded the offending section.

Obviously such statements will be true if H's axiom system is true, and in that sense they are always valid.

Yes, and one also has to be careful with the use of the word "true". There are models in which the axioms are true, but which contain counterexamples to Provable(#φ) → φ.