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Comment author: advancedatheist 03 September 2015 06:54:18AM 6 points [-]

How does it change your view of "the ascent of man" when you realize that only some human populations in the northern latitudes of Eurasia evolved enough intelligence to make way more than their share of contributions to the body of knowledge and the stock of high-value capital?

Comment author: pianoforte611 03 September 2015 01:36:36PM 8 points [-]

Well this certainly lives up to the discussion thread title. This is an ill posed question because it selectively carves out a very specific definition of human value for obviously ideological reasons. Why is capital the definitive measure of contributions to the human race? What about the wheel (Mesopotamians), what about fire (Africans - geographically, probably no one knows the taxonomy but certainly not northern Eurasians). What about geometry? Or perhaps something fairly important called numbers. Are those not knowledge?

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 07 September 2015 06:15:45PM 2 points [-]

Well this certainly lives up to the discussion thread title.

Sorry, this is not the ignorant replies thread.

What about the wheel (Mesopotamians)

the wheel was invented on the Eurasian steppe.

What about geometry?

Indo-Europeans (including Greeks) evolved on the Eurasian steppe and then spread out.

Or perhaps something fairly important called numbers.

See above point.

Comment author: Romashka 03 September 2015 08:21:52AM 0 points [-]

That this is not a good measure of that?

Comment author: moridinamael 08 September 2015 03:51:00PM *  1 point [-]

The fallacy is in the use of the word "evolved."

If you take a random sampling of ten thousand modern humans and scatter them across an undeveloped planet, what will happen is basically:

  • The ones who live in horrific environments will barely manage to survive and fail to develop technologically.

  • The ones who live in environments with plentiful game and foraging availability but with minimal agricultural potential will not perceive any pressure to drive innovation.

  • The ones who live in environments most conducive to agriculture, with a harsh enough climate that saving food for the winter is a good idea, will eventually develop agriculture.

The selection pressures on technological development work orders of magnitude faster than the selection pressures on intelligence.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 September 2015 05:03:45PM 1 point [-]

It definitely gives some credence to either biological or cultural arguments for innovation.