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Gav comments on Dry Ice Cryonics- Preliminary Thoughts - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Gav 30 September 2015 12:40:31AM 1 point [-]

Also just another thing that might be interesting:

Check out 'intermediate temperature storage', the idea of storing at a slightly warmer than liquid nitrogen temps (-130'C as opposed to -196'C) is a good idea in order to avoid any fracturing*. This is right near the glass transition temp, so no nucleation can proceed.

Tricky part is there aren't any practical scalable chemicals that have a handy phase change near -130'C, (in the same way that liquid nitrogen does at -196'C) so any system to keep patients there would have to be engineered as a custom electrically controlled device, rather than a simple vat of liquid.

Not impossible, but adds a lot of compexity. They might end up doing it in a few years by putting a dewar in a dewar, and making a robust heater that will failsafe down to LN2 if there's any problem.

*Personally I'm not concerned with fracturing, it seems like a very information-preserving change compared to everything else.

Comment author: Pentashagon 01 October 2015 03:21:00AM 0 points [-]

Tricky part is there aren't any practical scalable chemicals that have a handy phase change near -130'C, (in the same way that liquid nitrogen does at -196'C) so any system to keep patients there would have to be engineered as a custom electrically controlled device, rather than a simple vat of liquid.

Phase changes are also pressure dependent; it would be odd if 1 atm just happened to be optimal for cryonics. Presumably substances have different temperature/pressure curves and there might be a thermal/pressure path that avoids ice crystal formation but ends up below the glass transition temperature.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 01 October 2015 01:54:52PM 2 points [-]

Phase changes are also pressure dependent; it would be odd if 1 atm just happened to be optimal for cryonics.

1 atm pressure has the advantage of costing nothing and requiring no equipment to maintain.