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Comment author: [deleted] 21 September 2015 12:12:26AM *  2 points [-]

This is actually one of the core ideas of NLP, known as a "Primary Representational System." There's all sorts of crazy synesthesia tricks that NLP has developed.

Example: If your primary representational system is visual, making things brighter, closer, clearer, and first person (for most people) makes them more salient, while making them smaller, farther, blurier, and third person makes them less salient. For sound, making it louder, clearer, and closer usually does the same thing. If you have a voice in your head that you want to stop taking seriously, try making it sound like Donald Duck.

Some other fun observations from NLP:

You'll tend to use language that has to do with your PRS. For instance, if you're primarily, visual, you'll say things like "I see". If you're auditory, you'll say "I hear you." They used to think that speaking in the language of someone else's PRS could create rapport, but AFAIK that's been disproven by research. The concept of language affecting it I think is still in the air, but I'm not sure.

More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_systems_(NLP)

Comment author: Viliam 21 September 2015 08:40:00AM 2 points [-]

if you're primarily, visual, you'll say things like "I see". If you're auditory, you'll say "I hear you."

How about people who don't use any of these? Who instead of "I see that 2+2=4" or "it feels to me like 2+2=4" simply say "2+2=4"? Me, for example.

Comment author: [deleted] 21 September 2015 04:30:42PM 0 points [-]

I don't think that's represented in the NLP PRS model, but I'm severely out of date with NLP developments.

Comment author: Elo 21 September 2015 09:25:01AM 0 points [-]

In the wikipedia article it suggests that everyone uses all the systems situationally but seems to have a dominant one. I don't believe you that you never use the visual/auditory/kinasthetic phrases, happy to accept if you say that you rarely use them. I guess your task for the next week is to try to notice if you ever use a sensory-phrase and then try to think about why you chose that phrase. Report back?

Comment author: Viliam 21 September 2015 07:35:45PM *  1 point [-]

I guess your task for the next week is to try to notice if you ever use a sensory-phrase and then try to think about why you chose that phrase.

The fact that I will be observing myself would probably influence the results. It would probably be better to e.g. look at my older LW comments. So, here are the results from my 10 recent comments (excluding comments in this articles):

1: "touch", "seems"; 2: "look"; 3, 4, 5, 6: nothing; 7: "imagine"; 8: nothing; 9: "seems"; 10: "look", "see".

Well, okay, this seems to point toward a visual system.

(Now I wonder if I do the same thing when not writing in English. I mean, I mostly use English online, which is inherently a visual approach; I may be more likely to copy phrases of other people than invent my own spontaneously; and my vocabulary is more limited.)

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 21 September 2015 01:47:46PM 0 points [-]

Typical mind fallacy, are you? I believe him because I can relate. I tried to determine my primary canvas and the answer is none of the ones you gave. It's the canvas of concepts and ideas.

Comment author: Romashka 21 September 2015 04:59:14PM 0 points [-]

People also say I hear you or I see[=understand] when it is exactly what they have to convey. Saying I see instead of I hear you can at times be counterproductive... And vice versa...

Comment author: [deleted] 22 September 2015 01:54:58AM *  0 points [-]

Can you give an example when "I hear you "as an idiom works but "I see what you're saying" doesn't?

Comment author: Romashka 23 September 2015 06:25:31AM 1 point [-]

Also, nobody says 'You hear,...' instead of 'You see,...'

Comment author: Romashka 22 September 2015 04:20:50AM 0 points [-]

(It might be a quirk of how I learned English.) For me, "I hear you" is an acknowledgement of listening, possibly negotiating, and "I see..." - of the other person already thinking they have heard all they need to, possibly a dismissal. Of course, intonation matters too, and maybe it so outweighs the actual words that the above doesn't matter, but I mostly intake English as written.

Comment author: Elo 21 September 2015 07:01:30AM 0 points [-]

that link is not quite working, needs a \ in front of the ) at the end I think. Thanks for a good link to NLP info. NLP always seems like a reasonable-enough yet unproven theory. it falls into my box of those theories. If I had a better use for it's ideas I would be looking deeper into it.