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Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 21 September 2015 08:28:32PM *  3 points [-]

This calls for a poll:

Your primary mental canvas is (primary meaning how much you use it):

And now rate how rich each canvas is. Notes: The primary need not be the one with the highest rating. If you don't know choose the middle option (simple). You may read the score as

  • Absent
  • I know that it is there but very weak and it takes concentration to notice it
  • Present but weak or dull or hard to evoke
  • Simple. you can evoke/replay thing you perceived earlier easily but can't use it to form significantly new combinations
  • Very rich/vivid and can be flexibly combined and controlled
  • Supersensing (like in Elo's example) very rich and can be deeply controlled like a mental movie
  • Omnipresent, present in everything you do, possibly distracting

Vision

Absent Omnipresent

Hearing

Absent Omnipresent

Smell

Absent Omnipresent

Taste

Absent Omnipresent

Touch

Absent Omnipresent

Location (where in a space you are)

Absent Omnipresent

Ideas/concepts

Absent Omnipresent

And one last: Do you have synesthesia (asked to compare and potentially allow to test for correlations)

Submitting...

Comment author: SilentCal 05 October 2015 08:59:10PM 0 points [-]

What does a canvas for ideas/concepts mean?

Also, if someone could give a thought experiment for a location canvas, that would help me confirm that I don't have one.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 05 October 2015 10:22:09PM 0 points [-]

Location canvas for me means that you can imagine yourself moving in space or space moving around you. It is the ability to see where you are with eyes closed, objects moving past as you go and turn blind. The ability of the native navigators described in The Last Navigator which could do something like mental triangulation to an amazing degree (good enough fro Mau Pialug to navigate from Hawaii to Tahiti unaided).

For example when I close my eyes and turn my head I see schemes of my environment staying in their place. It is precise enough for me to walk more than ten steps, seeing trees and lamp posts pass and then turn and correctly pointing toward an object when I open my eyes.

Concept canvas means that concepts and ideas are tangible objects that you can arrange and combine consciously. Taking once concepts and projecting it along an analogy toward another concept and 'seeing' how the parts fit. Embedding one concept in another.

For me this is closely related to the visual canvas (which is more like a technical drawing: black and white and more contour lines and description-like features than textures and shades). When I say 'embedding in' that conjours an 'inside'-relation where one concept is in the node of another (often in the way of graphs with edges connecting elements and I can use topological transformations on these (projecting, distortion, neighborhood, containment).