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Comment author: bogus 24 September 2015 10:04:50PM -1 points [-]

Roosh has posted and said lately that he doesn't enjoy his sexual conquests as much as he used to

Yup, that's pretty normal. People tend to pursue casual flings out of a desire for sheer novelty, and plenty of them start pursuing longer-term goals after that desire is fulfilled. This is one reason why the widespread fear that casual sex might "ruin" folks and deprive them of any enjoyment of long-term relationships is almost certainly misguided.

Comment author: advancedatheist 25 September 2015 04:13:00PM *  -2 points [-]

Actually we have empirical evidence that women's premarital sexual adventures damage their ability to form stable marriages:

http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2010/08/defining-slut.html

When our allegedly unenlightened ancestors shamed sluts, shunned bastard kids and married their daughters off as young virgins, it turns out that they knew their business after all.

BTW, I find it curious that at least some of us consider paleonutrition a guide towards a modern healthy diet, but then turn around and call paleocognition bad names like "cognitive biases."

Comment author: Lumifer 25 September 2015 04:34:27PM *  5 points [-]

we have empirical evidence

No, we have only some correlations where obvious third factors (e.g. IQ) are involved. If you want to take this approach, just being black strongly "damages ... ability to form stable marriages".

It seems that "correlation != causation" hasn't been repeated enough X-/

P.S. Not to mention that "stable marriages" doesn't look like a terminal goal to me. If that's all you want, just forbid divorce.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 28 September 2015 11:16:21PM -1 points [-]

No, we have only some correlations where obvious third factors (e.g. IQ) are involved. If you want to take this approach, just being black strongly "damages ... ability to form stable marriages".

There's evidence for that as well, but notice that ~60 years ago blacks were much better at forming stable marriages than today.

If that's all you want, just forbid divorce.

And it used to be forbidden, or at least much harder. Once widespread premarital sex started undermining marriage, pressure was exerted that made divorce no longer forbidden.

Comment author: Lumifer 28 September 2015 11:48:33PM 1 point [-]

And it used to be forbidden

Yep. I have no wish to go back to those times.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 29 September 2015 12:04:19AM 0 points [-]

Yep. I have no wish to go back to those times.

Any particular reason? General belief that all change is progress and hence good? A dislike of stable marriages?

Comment author: Lumifer 29 September 2015 12:11:17AM 4 points [-]

Any particular reason?

I'm a very big fan of freedom defined as "ability to make meaningful choices".

Specifically with respect to divorce, I think that its absence makes for stable marriages where two people hate each other. Sometimes loudly and violently, sometimes subtly and poisonously.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 06 October 2015 02:59:18AM 0 points [-]

I'm a very big fan of freedom defined as "ability to make meaningful choices".

Even if those choices ultimately lead to less freedom as society is forced to deal with the resulting mess?

Comment author: Lumifer 06 October 2015 05:31:15PM -1 points [-]

I am also a big fan of NOT black-and-white worlds.

"Ultimately lead to less freedom" -- how do you know that? Can you show me some probability distribution of outcomes? How certain are you of it? What is the probability that you are making a sign error?

At the moment all I see is mood affiliation.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 12 October 2015 09:11:31PM -1 points [-]

"Ultimately lead to less freedom" -- how do you know that?

Broken homes means the government winds up having to resolve issues that should have been dealt with in-family, e.g., now the government must decide a lot more child custody disputes. Not to mention that children growing up in broken homes are likely to wind up on welfare and other government assistance.

Comment author: gjm 25 September 2015 04:20:27PM 2 points [-]

"were doing something that, according to some evidence, has one positive consequence" is not the same as "knew their business".