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Lumifer comments on Subjective vs. normative offensiveness - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Lumifer 28 September 2015 04:09:35PM 0 points [-]

So if I don't consent to your no murder rule, it doesn't apply to me and I can murder whoever I want?

Sure. Such people are called "outside of the law" and the usual approach is to kill them first.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 28 September 2015 10:25:27PM 1 point [-]

Would you apply the same to logic to the social contract I mentioned here?

Comment author: Lumifer 28 September 2015 11:44:08PM 0 points [-]

Do you have something specific in mind? Generally speaking, yes, I would.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 29 September 2015 06:35:17AM 1 point [-]

Say we're talking about Nazi Germany so it's required to report Jews. If someone refuses to follow the rule does that make him an outlaw? Would you say he should follow the law? If he doesn't, in what sense is he different from my "I can murder whoever I want" example?

Comment author: Lumifer 29 September 2015 05:21:56PM 2 points [-]

If someone refuses to follow the rule does that make him an outlaw?

Yes, of course.

Would you say he should follow the law?

Not sure why my personal opinion is relevant, but he has the option of following the law or not.

If he doesn't, in what sense is he different from my "I can murder whoever I want" example?

At sufficiently high levels of abstraction he is not different. Once you descend to breathable altitudes, other interesting concepts like "harm" and "autonomy" come into play.