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VoiceOfRa comments on Hypothetical situations are not meant to exist - Less Wrong Discussion

1 Post author: casebash 27 September 2015 10:58AM

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Comment author: VoiceOfRa 28 September 2015 02:35:54AM 3 points [-]

If a hypothetical is unspecified, and you ask for it to be clarified, then that isn't fighting the hypothetical.

Unfortunately, people will rarely actually do that. In particular, I've yet to see anyone else ask, much less answer, what appears to be highly relevant information in the classic train-switch dilemma: what are these people doing on the track?

Re: Too divorced from reality. "But fighting the hypothetical by challenging the premises of the scenario is exactly the same as saying, "I don't find this topic interesting for whatever reason, and wish to talk about something I am interested in."" - TimS

2) People are often too ready to consider things as a trap. Some people will claim that any convincing or hard to argue against statement is a "trap"

The problem with hypotheticals is that they're fictional evidence that you're asking people to generalize from.

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 30 September 2015 10:08:13AM 2 points [-]

what are these people doing on the track?

The version of the dilemma I'm familiar with specifies that all six people had been kidnapped by a mentally ill philosopher and tied onto the tracks against their will.

Comment author: casebash 28 September 2015 03:54:52AM -2 points [-]

"In particular, I've yet to see anyone else ask, much less answer, what appears to be highly relevant information in the classic train-switch dilemma: what are these people doing on the track?" - the way to get around it is to ask the questioner if they have any objections to you imagining a specific scenario. Such as, you might pretend that the people were put there by an evil villain or that they were stupidly walking along it. If someone says that it "doesn't matter", then you should consider yourself free to imagine whatever situation you want.

"The problem with hypotheticals is that they're fictional evidence that you're asking people to generalize from." - I think you're really misunderstanding that article. There's a huge difference between trying to argue that robots will take over the world because it happened in Terminator and considering the hypothetical situation of human-level AI.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 28 September 2015 04:36:16AM 1 point [-]

"In particular, I've yet to see anyone else ask, much less answer, what appears to be highly relevant information in the classic train-switch dilemma: what are these people doing on the track?" - the way to get around it

I'm perfectly aware of how to ask a question. My point is that most people confronted with a hypothetical don't ask any clarifying questions, and base their answers on whatever associations were in the question.