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Viliam comments on Instrumental Rationality Questions Thread - Less Wrong Discussion

6 Post author: AspiringRationalist 27 September 2015 09:22PM

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Comment author: Dagon 28 September 2015 03:13:58PM 2 points [-]

Like all instrumental rationality, it depends on how it aligns with your terminal goals, and how you feel about conscious action which affects others' unconscious reactions. I'd recommend Cialdini or Carnegie as required reading alongside PUA thinking, so you can understand what parts are general human reactions and what parts are specific to sexualized interactions with a certain type of woman.

I do think that it's likely a true belief that most humans act and react in fairly hardwired ways, and understanding those reactions is beneficial for a whole lot of terminal desires. I don't think that Heartiste (or others in the PUA clique) are focusing on the right things for long-term happiness and shared self-reflective growth with a partner.

Comment author: Viliam 29 September 2015 03:48:05PM 2 points [-]

I don't think that Heartiste (or others in the PUA clique) are focusing on the right things for long-term happiness and shared self-reflective growth with a partner.

For long-term happiness and shared growth that would be Athol Kay. Read his older stuff or buy his book; since the book was out he writes less interesting stuff just to keep the traffic.

Comment author: ChristianKl 30 September 2015 11:15:29AM 0 points [-]

Why do you recommend him?

Comment author: Viliam 30 September 2015 07:13:59PM 3 points [-]

Because he optimizes for marriage (as opposed to hundreds of one-night stands), and he seems to have a happy marriage, and his wife also contributes to his blog. This should remove most of the objections people have.

Comment author: ChristianKl 30 September 2015 08:31:02PM -1 points [-]

Because he optimizes for marriage (as opposed to hundreds of one-night stands), and he seems to have a happy marriage, and his wife also contributes to his blog.

I don't see how that's an indication that the advice he gives is good.