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Gunnar_Zarncke comments on Ultimatums in the Territory - Less Wrong Discussion

12 Post author: malcolmocean 28 September 2015 10:01PM

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Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 01 October 2015 09:52:50PM 1 point [-]

My favorite part is the concrete example.

"Either you quit smoking or we break up!"

versus

"I'm realizing that as much as I like our relationship, it's really not working for me to be dating a smoker, so I've decided I'm not going to. Of course, my preferred outcome is that you stop smoking, not that we break up, but I realize that might not make sense for you at this point."

I especially like that it is pointed out that it can be interpreted as an ultimatum of the first kind i.e. as exerting pressure to get ones will despite it being meant cheritably. I have explicitly made this experience multiple times. I guess some people always look for whether and how a situation is controlled. And pattern match both kinds of ultimatums against the pressure form.

Comment author: malcolmocean 12 October 2015 04:53:02AM 1 point [-]

Oh, totally. Some people will only be able to hear the second one as the first one. I definitely don't want to date them.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 12 October 2015 10:53:20AM 2 points [-]

Some people will only be able to hear the second one as the first one.

Some people will only be able to say the first one as the second one. Also not good.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 12 October 2015 09:15:00PM 0 points [-]

Problem is that you don't always know in time because such cases don't necessarily materialize in sufficient clarity early on. Esp. if one or both wear rose colored glasses.