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Comment author: VoiceOfRa 12 October 2015 10:20:36PM 6 points [-]

I've found that I can tolerate bigotry a lot better than I can tolerate bigoted policy proposals

What definition of "bigotry" are you using? The "standard definition" amounts to "applying Bayesian priors to people". So is discussion of the policy implications of Bayesian reasoning now punishable by banning without notice? Also since you admit that he didn't actually make the proposal but was "close to suggesting" it does that mean that even being "close to suggesting" implications of Bayesian reasoning for policy is bannable?

Note to Eliezer or any super-administrators reading this: I strongly suggest that in the interest of keeping LessWrong a place where people can discuss rationality without fear of suddenly being banned, NancyLebovitz's administrative privileges be revoked immediately.

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 13 October 2015 08:03:49AM 1 point [-]

What definition of "bigotry" are you using? The "standard definition" amounts to "applying Bayesian priors to people".

Huh, no it doesn't.

suddenly being banned

Lots of people had expressed annoyance at advandcedatheist talking about the same topic over and over again. That's hardly "sudden". (OTOH I would have preferred him to be officially warned by a moderator before being banned.)

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 13 October 2015 08:11:20PM 4 points [-]

Ok, looking at the first result we get:

In English the word "bigot" refers to a person whose habitual state of mind includes an obstinate, irrational, or unfair intolerance of ideas, opinions, or beliefs that differ from their own, and intolerance of the people who hold them.

Which was the standard meaning of "bigotry" a century ago. Ok, let's apply this definition to the current situation: it would appear that NancyLebowitz is more guilty of bigotry then AA. Does that mean she should be banned?

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 14 October 2015 07:55:29AM *  2 points [-]

Again, ISTM NancyLebovitz (and other LW readers in general) are less intolerant of AA's ideas themselves than of his continuing to post them over and over again after people have made abundantly clear they're not interested in reading them for the zillionth time, so a response to an extraordinary situation and not a "habitual" state of mind. And AA does seem intolerant of the idea of women's sexual freedom.

That said, I'll tap out now.

Comment author: Jiro 14 October 2015 02:33:57PM *  3 points [-]

Again, ISTM NancyLebovitz (and other LW readers in general) are less intolerant of AA's ideas themselves than of his continuing to post them over and over again after people have made abundantly clear they're not interested in reading them for the zillionth time

Then Nancy should ban him based on his habit of repetitively posting, rather than what she actually banned him for, which is for "bigoted policy proposals" (and worse yet, for just almost making bigoted policy proposals). Banning him for that makes it much more dangerous for me to support limits on immigration, say almost anything concrete about how to use IQ tests that falls on the wrong side, connect vegetarianism to abortion, give many answers to the trolley problem, or otherwise speak about a lot of topics that turn up in discussions that have nothing to do with AA.

I wouldn't actually have a problem with the ban if she banned him for repetitively posting.

Comment author: Lumifer 13 October 2015 02:34:47PM 2 points [-]

Lots of people had expressed annoyance at advandcedatheist talking about the same topic over and over again. That's hardly "sudden".

The leap from annoyance to a ban was quite sudden.