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Comment author: JoshuaZ 12 October 2015 01:08:32PM 1 point [-]

At least two major classes of existential risk, AI and physics experiments, are areas where a lot of math can come into play. In the case of AI, this is understanding whether hard take-offs are possible or likely and whether an AI can be provably Friendly. In the case of physics experiments, the issues connected to are analysis that the experiments are safe.

In both these cases, little attention is made to the precise axiomatic system being used for the results. Should this be concerning? If for example some sort of result about Friendliness is proven rigorously, but the proof lives in ZFC set theory, then there's the risk that ZFC may turn out to be inconsistent. Similar remarks apply to analysis that various physics experiments are unlikely to cause serious problems like a false vacuum collapse.

In this context, should more resources be spent on making sure that proofs occur in their absolute minimum axiomatic systems, such as conservative extensions of Peano Arithmetic or near conservative extension?

Comment author: solipsist 13 October 2015 04:25:12AM 1 point [-]

I would think it faster to search for proofs of any kind, then simplify to an elementary/constructive/machine verifiable proof.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 13 October 2015 12:57:11PM 0 points [-]

What do you mean?

Comment author: solipsist 13 October 2015 02:15:08PM 1 point [-]

If you're at the state where the worst thing about a proof is that it relies on the axiom of choice, you're practically at the finish line (at least compared to here). Once proofs has been discovered, mathematicians have a pretty good track record of whittling them down to rest on fewer assumptions. From my (uninformed dilettante's) perspective, it's not worth limiting your toolset until you've found some solution to your problem. Any solution, even ones which rest on unproven conjectures, will teach you a lot.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 13 October 2015 02:16:52PM 0 points [-]

Ah, yes, I think that makes sense. And obviously a proof of say Friendliness in ZFC is a lot better than no proof at all.