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Comment author: IlyaShpitser 21 October 2015 01:28:43AM *  6 points [-]

You should worry more about whether MIRI's way of doing problems is a good way of solving hard problems, not how hard the problems are.

Problem difficulty is a constant you cannot affect, social structure is a variable.

Comment author: gjm 21 October 2015 03:58:23PM 2 points [-]

I mostly agree, but: You can affect "problem difficulty" by selecting harder or easier problems. It would still be right not to be discouraged about MIRI's prospects if (1) the hard problems they're attacking are hard problems that absolutely need to be solved or (2) the hardness of the problems they're attacking is a necessary consequence of the hardness (or something) of other problems that absolutely need to be solved. But it might turn out, e.g., that the best road to safe AI takes an entirely different path from the ones MIRI is exploring, in which case it would be a reasonable criticism to say that they're expending a lot of effort attacking intractably hard problems rather than addressing the tractable problems that would actually help.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 21 October 2015 05:39:14PM *  1 point [-]

MIRI would say they don't have the luxury of choosing easier problems. They think they are saving the world from an imminent crisis.

Comment author: gjm 21 October 2015 09:32:16PM 1 point [-]

They might well do, but others (e.g., Clarity) might not be persuaded.

Comment author: Clarity 22 October 2015 08:28:26AM 0 points [-]

We'll see :)