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Comment author: Lumifer 06 November 2015 03:36:59PM 3 points [-]

nukes can destroy enemy army without turning whole country into a blasted radioctive wasteland like scaremongers say

That's pretty obvious to anyone with a couple of functioning brain cells. The whole idea of tactical nuclear weapons is limited strikes against military targets. During the Cold War, the NATO doctrine explicitly relied on tactical nukes to stop Russian armored thrusts into Western Europe.

non-proliferation is a lost cause

Non-proliferation isn't based on some third-world politicians being afraid of a nuclear holocaust. It's based on the empirical fact that if you try to develop nukes, Uncle Sam will be very very mean to you.

Comment author: Lalartu 09 November 2015 09:34:23AM -1 points [-]

First, it is not. Idea that this Cold War doctrine was suicidal (for the Europeans) madness is rather popular, I think more than the opposite.

Second, given that exactly zero states were attacked by US for trying to make nukes, I wouldn't call this the most important reason. As for third-world politicians, they adopt the first-word attitude to nukes as thing you can only threaten with but can't really use.

Comment author: Lumifer 09 November 2015 04:12:07PM *  1 point [-]

Idea that this Cold War doctrine was suicidal (for the Europeans) madness is rather popular, I think more than the opposite.

Is popular? I am not sure today people spend a lot of effort in evaluating an obsolete military doctrine from quarter century ago. And is there an alternative proposed?

given that exactly zero states were attacked by US for trying to make nukes

Notice that I didn't say "invaded", though Iraq is an interesting case. But why did Iran make a deal with the US, then?

thing you can only threaten with but can't really use

You can't really use them offensively. I doubt the politicians would taboo the use of tactical nukes in the last stand situation. That's effectively what they are for: insurance. Funny how everyone is tiptoeing around North Korea...

By the way, you know what didn't help non-proliferation at all? The way the Budapest Memorandum turned out to be a meaningless piece of paper.