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VoiceOfRa comments on LINK: An example of the Pink Flamingo, the obvious-yet-overlooked cousin of the Black Swan - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: VoiceOfRa 07 November 2015 04:46:21AM 0 points [-]

Why? Are you saying all currently illegal drugs should be legalized? In which case you might what to look at what caused them to become illegal in the first place.

Comment author: Lumifer 07 November 2015 05:02:25AM 4 points [-]

In which case you might what to look at what caused them to become illegal in the first place.

That line of argument isn't going to go well for you, see e.g. marijuana.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 07 November 2015 05:26:14AM 3 points [-]

The article glosses over the reasons for criminalization except for a single unbacked reference to "xenophobia".

Also what about cocaine and heroin. The example of cocaine is illistrative, after Friedrich Gaedcke first isolated cocaine it took decades to realize how dangerous it was. Part of the reason was that he and his doctor friends didn't have problems with it. Turns out that 19th century doctors had been selected for unusually high willpower.

Furthermore, the fundamental problem of which the isolation of cocaine was emblematic is getting worse as technology improves.

Comment author: Lumifer 07 November 2015 05:56:49AM 1 point [-]

The article glosses over the reasons for criminalization except for a single unbacked reference to "xenophobia".

Google is your friend. The criminalization of marijuana is well-documented.

Furthermore, the fundamental problem of which the isolation of cocaine was emblematic is getting worse as technology improves.

So we have nothing to worry about plants humans consumed for millenia -- like Cannabis sativa and Papaver somniferum?

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 07 November 2015 06:10:50AM 0 points [-]

So we have nothing to worry about plants humans consumed for millenia -- like Cannabis sativa and Papaver somniferum?

Unless chemists start concentrating the relevant chemical, or they're used by people whose ancestors haven't had millennia to adept to them. Yes, this applies to alcohol as well.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 07 November 2015 05:33:27AM -2 points [-]

19th century doctors had been selected for unusually high willpower

Thanks, I needed a big laugh today. Your grasp of artificial selection is completely ludicrous.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 07 November 2015 05:43:38AM *  5 points [-]

Wow, you totally fail at reading comprehension.

Hint: the word "selection" has meanings besides the biological one.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 07 November 2015 01:56:55PM 0 points [-]

Still implausible. At which point did willpower factor in the career path of an aspiring 19th-century doctor (in a way that it doesn't today)?

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 07 November 2015 04:48:53PM 2 points [-]

I never said it doesn't today.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 07 November 2015 05:30:06PM 0 points [-]

Your earlier comment implied that there was something specific about 19th-century doctors that prevented them from realizing how dangerous cocaine was. Today we know it's dangerous. What did you intend to say was different about doctors back then?

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 11 November 2015 05:48:50AM 2 points [-]

What did you intend to say was different about doctors back then?

The fact that today we have data on its effects on people who aren't high-willpower doctors.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 11 November 2015 02:50:55PM 0 points [-]

You're answering a different question. First you said 19th-century doctors were especially willpowered, then you said willpower is also a factor in today's doctors. Now you say the difference is not willpower but the population examined. You're not only not giving any evidence for you claims; you're running in circles.

Comment author: SanguineEmpiricist 07 November 2015 06:12:55AM -2 points [-]

Cocaine is not even close to as dangerous as heroin, the physical debilitation from alcohol and cannabis is far more extreme than anything with coke, in fact most are underwhelmed and cannot see the point.

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 07 November 2015 12:57:30PM 3 points [-]

In which case you might what to look at what caused them to become illegal in the first place.

But also at whether the problems that their prohibition has caused are bigger or smaller than those it solved.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 07 November 2015 05:35:05AM 0 points [-]

Moral panic, mostly. A very hypocritical one, considering how tobacco and alcohol, two very dangerous drugs, are still perfectly acceptable in the Western world.