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Lumifer comments on “Be A Superdonor!”: Promoting Effective Altruism by Appealing to the Heart - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Lumifer 09 November 2015 09:06:51PM *  4 points [-]

What are your thoughts about reaching out to more emotionally-oriented thinkers using these and other modern marketing strategies?

My thoughts?

The product of "modern marketing strategies" will go into the spam bin, and the marketers will go into the scum bin.

Comment author: Gleb_Tsipursky 11 November 2015 12:15:03AM 1 point [-]

Guess we have different takes on the matter, then. I'm an educator at heart, and it seems that one needs to reach people where they are at in order to have a beneficial impact on the world through raising the sanity waterline, whether regarding donations or other areas of life.

Comment author: Lumifer 11 November 2015 04:33:20PM *  2 points [-]

I'm an educator at heart, and it seems that one needs to reach people where they are

I'm sorry, outside of mandatory schooling educators teach people who ask to be taught. Those who "reach people where they are" to further their own aims are called other, less complimentary names.

I have no wish to be shaped or "reached" by various people who might think it useful, especially if it mostly involves making my pockets easier to pick.

Comment author: Gleb_Tsipursky 11 November 2015 06:17:22PM 1 point [-]

I hear that's not your preference. The project of raising the sanity waterline is what I am dedicated to, and that is a project of education.

Comment author: Lumifer 11 November 2015 06:27:12PM 2 points [-]

The project of raising the sanity waterline is what I am dedicated to

Actually, you've been talking about raising money for EA. Raising the sanity waterline in the rich West is not an EA goal because there is no efficient $/QALY ratio there.

Comment author: Gleb_Tsipursky 11 November 2015 06:41:10PM -1 points [-]

Actually, I'd disagree - raising the sanity waterline in the rich West is an EA goal, to the extent that raising the sanity waterline causes people to be more rational about their donations, and thus give to more effective charities. This is very much a meta-goal, of course, and one that has a great deal of impact. In the EA movement, this is called movement-building.

Comment author: Lumifer 11 November 2015 06:50:56PM 0 points [-]

raising the sanity waterline in the rich West is an EA goal

An explicit EA goal to which it is willing to commit money?

I don't mean it in the sense of "it would be nice if X happened", I mean it in the sense of "we will spend resources to move this forward". The EA movement-building has narrow focus and is not concerned with the general raising of the sanity waterline.

Comment author: Gleb_Tsipursky 12 November 2015 01:18:04AM 0 points [-]

Yes, it is an explicit goal of some EA efforts, such as EA Outreach, The Life You Can Save, Intentional Insights, Giving What We Can.