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Lumifer comments on [Link] A rational response to the Paris attacks and ISIS - Less Wrong Discussion

-1 Post author: Gleb_Tsipursky 23 November 2015 01:47AM

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Comment author: OrphanWilde 23 November 2015 02:47:56PM 12 points [-]

What terrorists want is irrelevant. "Don't play into enemy hands" is irrelevant. The entire discussion is irrelevant.

The correct response to enemy action is the response that furthers your own ends. It doesn't matter what effect this has on your enemy, good, neutral, or positive; your long-term ends matter.

"The primary thing when you take a sword in your hands is your intention to cut the enemy, whatever the means. Whenever you parry, hit, spring, strike or touch the enemy's cutting sword, you must cut the enemy in the same movement. It is essential to attain this." A particularly relevant quote from Musashi, used by Eliezer on at least one occasion in the sequences.

Avoiding doing what the enemy wants is mere parrying. Stop mere parrying, and cut.

Comment author: Lumifer 23 November 2015 04:05:21PM *  5 points [-]

Stop mere parrying, and cut.

There is an interesting argument that the Western countries have lost the capability. Europe leads the way and the US is now following it.

Comment author: Val 24 November 2015 03:25:05PM *  4 points [-]

Not the capability in a technical sense, but the will. Not offending the Muslims who arrived in the last few decades seems to be of much higher importance to many politicians, than anything else.

Comment author: Lumifer 24 November 2015 03:54:45PM 4 points [-]

Not the capability in a technical sense, but the will.

Yes. Notice the important part in the quote in the grandparent post: "the primary thing is ... your intention to cut the enemy".

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 23 November 2015 11:55:11PM 2 points [-]

There is an interesting argument that the Western countries have lost the capability.

So, figure out why that is and fix it. I suspect a large part of the problem is pseudo-rationalists like Gleb arguing that "fighting terrorists is playing into their hands".

Comment author: Lumifer 24 November 2015 01:01:11AM *  4 points [-]

So, figure out why that is and fix it.

LOL. How about this: you go tell Cthulhu he's swimming the wrong way, and I stay here and watch X-)