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Well, since the OP was about how to deal with ISIS, "breaking" them in the sense that Germany and Japan were seems to be a desirable result.
ISIS is an idea. It's not a particular ethnic group or population of a particular piece of land. Ideas are notoriously hard to repress successfully.
So was fascism.
And do you imagine it disappeared..?
Except as a useful boogeyman for those currently in power, yes.
You're kidding yourself.
Or trying to kid others.
When people say "fascism" they're usually actually thinking of Nazism. Now, what was Nazism? It was a movement that stressed the need for intense loyalty to a strong Fatherland, that worried about pollution of that Fatherland by inferior races, that was contemptuous of democracy, that appealed to the glorious cultural traditions of the Fatherland, that lamented that the political Left was treacherously weakening the nation, that held that women should stick to traditional gender roles, that made much of the value of traditional religion without actually embracing it and being religious ...
Gosh, it's hard to see what possible motive a neoreactionary could have for making light of the idea that anything like that might still be around today.
So by your definition nearly everyone before the 19th century was a "fascist"?
Only in the same way as everyone in mediaeval times was a reenactment enthusiast.
So you admit your definition of "fascism" is time dependent? So why is this definition useful, are you saying that the laws of nature (or at least human nature) aren't uniform across time?
IIRC ethnic nationalism wasn't even much of a thing until around 1800, and I doubt many people "lamented that the political Left was treacherously weakening the nation" a few centuries ago.
*cough*Old Testament*cough*
NRx people should know the difference between fascism and nazism, given how they pay great attention to history.
But there also might be a bit of miscommunication. I suspect VoiceOfRa thinks about far-right parties in Europe which are often tagged with the neo-Nazi label. That wasn't what I actually had I mind. I was thinking of people like Mr.Putin.
And you think it's reasonable to call him "fascist"?
Calling someone a fascist nowadays is just an insult, there is rarely much meaning behind it.
But you might think about important elements of fascism, the ones that distinguish it from, say, liberal democracies or communist countries or even just plain-vanilla dictatorships, and check how current Russia compares...
Not completely, but sure it is a few orders of magnitude less prevalent than if the Allies hadn't defeated the Axis in WW2, isn't it?
Most instances of fascism were somewhat closer to being "a particular ethnic group" than ISIS is, and anyway he said "notoriously hard", not "impossible", and the defeat of fascism was not exactly painless and effortless.
And attempting to avoid offending them, as Gleb is arguing for, was obviously counterproductive in retrospect.