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James_Miller comments on Open thread, Dec. 14 - Dec. 20, 2015 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: James_Miller 18 December 2015 05:33:08PM 2 points [-]

My n=1 experiment evidences against this. When my son was much younger and complained some part of him was hurting (because, say, he bumped against a wall) I would put lotion on the part and say it was powerful medicine. It usually made him feel better. And I wasn't even lying because the medicine I had in mind was the placebo effect.

Comment author: Lumifer 18 December 2015 05:59:30PM 0 points [-]

You were not measuring actual improvement -- you were measuring the amount of whining/complaining.

Comment author: James_Miller 18 December 2015 07:57:46PM 2 points [-]

Which is strongly correlated with pain. A reduction in pain is an actual improvement.

Comment author: Lumifer 18 December 2015 08:56:08PM -1 points [-]

A reduction in pain is an actual improvement

No, not in the sense we are talking about here. Pain is known to be quite psychosomatic, anyway.

Comment author: Jiro 20 December 2015 08:37:53AM 0 points [-]

You were lying, because you were making a statement that you knew would be understood as an untruth and with the intention of it being understood as that untruth. The fact that it may be true using a definition that isn't used by the target doesn't change that.

Comment author: James_Miller 21 December 2015 02:27:05AM 1 point [-]

Disagree. I believed that my statement would be interpreted as "this will reduce your pain." Because of my belief in the placebo effect I really thought that the lotion would reduce my son's pain.

Comment author: Tem42 21 December 2015 02:46:46AM 0 points [-]

...using a definition that isn't used by the target...

I suspect you may be overestimating young childrens' critical thinking abilities. If daddy say X is "powerful medicine", then "powerful medicine" is defined as X.