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21 Post author: NancyLebovitz 23 December 2015 06:29PM

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Comment author: username2 24 December 2015 10:21:37PM 6 points [-]

If we're doing the virtue ethical banning, then as long as we agree that the people in question deserved a ban, the specific reasons given for the ban aren't very important.

Yes, they are. They set the percedent for which other users get banned.

Comment author: Jiro 25 December 2015 07:31:06PM *  10 points [-]

That's a big problem. By the verbal standard that Nancy used for banning advancedatheist, I and lots of people here are in danger of being banned. I just argued on SSC that it could be preferable for a country to limit how many refugees it takes in when they are fleeing the Holocaust, thus leaving the remaining ones to die horribly (if the country has taken in as many refugees as it can accommodate, this becomes a case of torture versus dust specks).

Of course, that would extend to banning people for supporting standard torture versus dust specks too.

It's an important part of rational discussion that we be able to say things that pattern-match to promoting horrible ideas.

Comment author: username2 26 December 2015 10:50:18AM *  2 points [-]

There should be a difference between people who post the same controversial opinions over and over again like a broken record and people who write about a wide variety of topics and sometimes post controversial things, e.g. people like you. The latter should be allowed much more and they should not be banned even for the most extreme opinions, because they have a controversial idea because that's where their reasoning led them to, and not because they simply want to promote their popular pet idea here.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 26 December 2015 01:41:30AM *  3 points [-]

I think you misunderstand virtue-ethical banning. It's not about what you say, it's about who you are. "Precedents" are a deontological idea.

Comment author: username2 28 December 2015 01:56:18AM 1 point [-]

Yes, and in particular it matters which aspect of who you are is the one that got you banned?