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Comment author: ChristianKl 12 January 2016 06:39:14AM *  1 point [-]

Care to cite the relevant verse?

I don't think that passing around verses of the Koran is the way to have a conversation like this. I hold my opinion based on the analysis of the Atlantic article.

In this case we are talking about the scenario where an ISIS leader would say: "In the past we thought the Koran prospribed free healthcare about know we don't think so anymore."

Comment author: Lumifer 12 January 2016 06:41:05AM *  3 points [-]

I don't think that passing around verses of the Koran is the way to have a conversation like this.

It certainly is, because the primary sources are better. It's just that you can't do that. That's fine, but don't claim that arguing on the basis of a single article in popular media is the correct way.

Comment author: ChristianKl 12 January 2016 10:50:46AM 2 points [-]

It certainly is, because the primary sources are better. It's just that you can't do that.

I don't consider Western discussion of the Koran by reading the Koran in the absence from reading how people read the Koran to be fruitful in general. The original text also isn't in English.

It's just that you can't do that.

I could easily put a request for the passage someone on stackexchange and likely get an answer within a day if I would think that piece of information would matter for my reasoning.

Comment author: Lumifer 12 January 2016 03:54:50PM *  1 point [-]

I don't consider Western discussion of the Koran by reading the Koran in the absence from reading how people read the Koran to be fruitful in general.

Why do you consider yourself to have enough expertise to pass judgment on such matters? Provided by "Western discussion of the Koran" you don't mean pub rants along the lines of "the bloody Muslims want to kill all infidels because Koran tells them to".

The original text also isn't in English.

You don't say...

Comment author: ChristianKl 12 January 2016 10:19:15PM 0 points [-]

Why do you consider yourself to have enough expertise to pass judgment on such matters?

In the past I did had a bit of contact with Berlin politics surrounding how our city deals with Islam. I think there's a case where I influenced the words used to talk about an issue in our newspapers.

Over the years I also read various different sources. Among them Sayyib Qutb's Milestones gave me a good perspective.

There are area's where I have more expertise than talking about Islam but I have decent priors that I know something about the issue.

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