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51 Post author: Viliam_Bur 30 January 2016 02:09AM

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Comment author: Houshalter 31 January 2016 01:37:42AM *  7 points [-]

I'm not saying that I agree with him at all, but I think it's important to understand this kind of behavior, rather than merely dismissing it as a crazy person. Though it is quite possible he is crazy, too.

But I think he feels like his political beliefs are being dismissed by others because they are controversial. There's a certain kind of person who's really attracted to contrarian beliefs like that. He thinks he can provide rational arguments for their beliefs, but people dismiss him and downvote him anyway.

This probably led to t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶o̶c̶k̶p̶u̶p̶p̶e̶t̶ ̶a̶c̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ downvote people he didn't like [and sockpuppet accounts to upvote his own comments to undo it]. Again, not defending this at all, just trying to understand it.

Many people treat downvotes like insults. If your comment gets downvoted, its kind like if a bunch of people told you loudly and publicly "Shut up!", or that you are stupid. It's a public humiliation and a loss of status. That can lead to anger and frustration and a desire to get revenge.

Downvotes as shaming is a real effect. I certainly don't post comments which I think have a chance of being downvoted. Which is why I post comments here much less frequently than I otherwise would on other discussion sites. And I'm not trying to complain, because I love reddit's comment system and think it's really good at filtering discussion. But it is problematic that people treat it like a disagree button.

Then he gets banned for that behavior. That feeds into his persecution complex and gets him even angrier. And well, we've seen the results of that.

Comment author: gjm 31 January 2016 02:33:02AM 4 points [-]

sockpuppet accounts to downvote people he didn't like

I've been mass-downvoted quite a bit by Eugine and I don't recall ever seeing any comment of mine downvoted more than once. If he's using sockpuppets, it's not so much "to downvote people" but either (1) to hide his mass-downvoting by splitting it among socks or (2) to upvote his own comments (whose karma trajectory over time is often rather peculiar).

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 31 January 2016 07:15:57AM 8 points [-]

Sockpuppets are for upvoting, not downvoting, because downvoting requires karma and upvoting doesn't.

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 31 January 2016 07:47:34PM 2 points [-]

Also, whereas as gjm noticed hardly any comments have more than one "anomalous" downvote, plenty of comments have like half a dozen anomalous upvotes.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 31 January 2016 10:36:22AM 1 point [-]

Traditionally he posted quotes in Rationality Quotes threads to farm karma he could use for the downvotes. Maybe he got tired of doing that.