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Comment author: Douglas_Knight 02 February 2016 07:02:05PM 0 points [-]

I said that when I look at a European country, I see a bunch of parties strung out along a left-right axis. But, actually, I guess I don't see anything, I just hear people describing the parties that way. Say, a left party L, a center party, C, and a right party R, allowing LC and CR coalitions. But often, when I look closely, they do seem to have exotic platforms that shouldn't rule out the LR coalition. For example, people were shocked by the British Liberal Democrats forming a coalition with the Tories, because "everyone knew" that they were a left party. (I guess everyone knew that because the Liberals and Social Democrats used to be left-wing, but somewhere along the way the Liberal positions because right-wing.) Similarly "everyone knows" that anti-immigrant parties are right-wing, and that it is completely impossible for them to form coalitions with left-wing parties, but most of them are single-issue parties with little opinion on anything else, certainly not a right-wing positions. (But they can’t form coalitions with anyone because they are anti-establishment.)

And, similarly, it is odd that the Slovak libertarian party is labeled “extreme right-wing” seeming to rule out the possibility of including it in a left coalition giving it control of civil liberties.

Comment author: Viliam 03 February 2016 12:10:11PM *  0 points [-]

And, similarly, it is odd that the Slovak libertarian party is labeled “extreme right-wing” seeming to rule out the possibility of including it in a left coalition giving it control of civil liberties.

Well, in Slovakia "left-wing" means communists, so the civil liberties are a right-wing topic here. The current "left-wing" topic is how we need to hire hundreds of new policemen, to protect us from the immigrant hordes.

I think that the communists in the post-communist countries are psychologically an equivalent of the religious right in the countries that didn't have communism. That's another part of what makes speaking about "left" and "right" so confusing.

Comment author: Lumifer 03 February 2016 04:29:28PM 1 point [-]

I think the word you need is "statism" -- the belief that strong central power is the best. It is shared by e.g. communists and fascists.

Comment author: Viliam 04 February 2016 09:00:51AM *  0 points [-]

Thanks, I know the word, but 99+% people in my country still insist on using "left-wing". Including the "left-wing" politicians.

Attaching labels is already a part of the political battle.

Comment author: Lumifer 04 February 2016 05:35:54PM 2 points [-]

99+% people in my country still insist on using "left-wing"

They are not wrong :-) The left wing tends to more statist than the right wing.