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Comment author: Old_Gold 09 February 2016 01:24:41AM 3 points [-]

Here's a hint, replace "tobacco" with "marijuana", or some drug that's currently fashionable. Note, how your intuition changes.

Comment author: Clarity 09 February 2016 06:08:53AM 1 point [-]

I don't follow. Can you elaborate?

Comment author: Old_Gold 10 February 2016 01:52:18AM 3 points [-]

Do you think the people advocating for marijuana legalization would be satisfied with legalization under the terms you proposed for tobacco?

Comment author: Clarity 10 February 2016 02:02:35AM *  0 points [-]

I think there were be different strata of marajuana legalisation advocates who would be satisfied with different things. But when I put forward a policy position, it isn't to maximise political tractability, but rather to maximise public health gains. Political tractability can itself be advocating for with spin, coalitions, maneuvering and other such politics.

The fact is. marajuana is not tobacco. They are not interchangeable, in the same way that meth and marajuana aren't interchangeable, or chocolate for that matter. They all have different weights of costs and benefits.

Comment author: Old_Gold 10 February 2016 02:13:56AM 5 points [-]

But when I put forward a policy position, it isn't to maximise political tractability, but rather to maximise public health gains.

So why didn't you simply propose a ban?

Comment author: Lumifer 10 February 2016 02:18:13AM 4 points [-]

So why didn't you simply propose a ban?

Oh, maximising public health gains would probably require force-feeding vegetables (in prison, if necessary) and mandatory exercise (ditto). But in the meantime you can start by banning sugar.

Comment author: Clarity 10 February 2016 04:29:32AM *  -1 points [-]

why

keep things simple, but never simpler than they are

force-feeding vegetables (in prison, if necessary) and mandatory exercise (ditto). But in the meantime you can start by banning sugar.

because that wouldn't maximise public health gains. Would people be overall less or more happy? It's pretty obvious and that's a pretty dumb solution.

Bans are bad because smoking is addictive and withdrawal is harmful. It would be cruel. This kind of black and white thinking and slippery slope argumentation is really suprising to see on LW.

edit: maybe you're on to something. Take a read of this about options for a tobacco endgame. The number of good options available to the regulatory community is sufficient to make any gentle-nudge policy researchers and advocates feel like they're wasting their time (and maybe they are!)