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Comment author: polymathwannabe 10 February 2016 01:12:32AM *  1 point [-]

rationality is useful for a religious person

This changes the entire color of your text. It makes it sound like its intended audience is believers, not seculars.

Secular people start with the faith that they can trust their sensory experience.

There are two main problems with that statement. First, the secular view has no place for the category of "faith." It's just not a concept we use. It's seriously inaccurate to call our reliance on sensory experience "faith." Second, everyone starts from sensory experience, including religious people. All your conceptions of the divine were learned via some sensation (reading, conversation, etc.).

Comment author: buybuydandavis 12 February 2016 05:07:35AM 0 points [-]

I think it's fine to call it faith in sensory experience - I choose to use it as data.

The second is the stronger argument, IMO.

Actually, if the Rev made that argument to religious people, that would be a strong argument in favor of basic empiricism. You only get to God through empiricism.

Though that's probably a better argument for a Deist than a Methodist.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 12 February 2016 01:41:02PM 0 points [-]

I think it's fine to call it faith in sensory experience - I choose to use it as data.

What else could you ever possibly use as data?

Comment author: buybuydandavis 14 February 2016 11:18:10PM 0 points [-]

Things you imagine. Things you reasoned "a priori".