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Comment author: buybuydandavis 12 February 2016 04:38:57AM *  2 points [-]

faith as belief in (trust in) God

I think that's the strongest move. Faith as allegiance, trust, submission, etc.

There has always been a fundamental equivocation in "Faith in God", which most atheists mistake only as "Belief that some being exists", and not "choose to trust and obey God".

When you combine that with our notion of instrumental rationality and rationality as winning, you have a clear path to the rationality of faith in God:
Choosing to trust in God and submit to God leads to winning.

I recall a Christian gal I knew in high school saying "I just concluded that I would have a happier life if I believed in God." At the time, that struck me as blasphemous. I was appalled. You believe it without regard to correspondence to reality? Self willed delusion? But once one no longer makes a fetish of epsitemic truth, it's perfectly sensible.

Comment author: Lumifer 12 February 2016 05:08:19AM 0 points [-]

Choosing to trust in God and submit to God leads to winning.

Sometimes.

And sometimes you pick the wrong god.

And sometimes you get burned at the stake as a heretic, anyway.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 12 February 2016 06:02:55AM 1 point [-]

By "path to the rationality of faith in God", I meant "an argument you can make for the rationality of faith in God".

I'm not saying that's a slam dunk or anything, but I can see a plausible argument for it.

Yes, sometimes yes, and sometimes no. A convincing argument would not require a guaranteed road to winning.