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Comment author: Manfred 24 February 2016 01:11:09AM 1 point [-]

Any proofs will be like... assuming that if some laws of aerodynamics and range of conditions hold, proving that a certain plane design will fly. Which of course has some trouble because we don't know the equivalent of aerodynamics either.

Comment author: halcyon 24 February 2016 02:12:25PM 0 points [-]

That would seem to be the best possible solution, but I have never heard aeroplane engineers claim that their designs are "provably airworthy". If you take the aeroplane design approach, then isn't "provably Friendly" a somewhat misleading claim to make, especially when you're talking about pushing conditions to the extreme that you yourself admit are beyond your powers of prediction? The aeroplane equivalent would be like designing a plane so powerful that its flight changes the atmospheric conditions of the entire planet, but then the plane uses a complicated assembly of gyroscopes or something to continue flying in a straight line. However, if you yourself cannot predict which specific changes the flight of the plane will make, then how can you claim that you can prove that particular assembly of gyroscopes is sufficient to keep the plane on the preplanned path? On the other hand, if you can prove which specific changes the plane's flight will make that are relevant to its flight, then you have a mathematical definition of the target atmosphere at a sufficient depth of resolution to design such an assembly. Does MIRI think it can come up with an equivalent mathematical model of humanity with respect to AI?