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Yes they did, in particular the false claim that there are no significant diffrences between blacks and whites.
Well, "slavery is bad" isn't even an argument it's either an asertion or at best a value judgement. The fact that this wasn't obvious to you is a sign you haven't thought much about the topic.
Well, consider how the latter turned out. Prohibition involved making false statements (they might not technichally have been lies only because some of the people making them believe them) about how much of the contry's crime was caused by alcohol. Some counties even sold off their jails after prohibition passed, figuring that without alcohol there'd be no crime so there would be no need for it.
That's false. The abolition movement never claimed there were no significant differences between blacks and whites. Read the transcripts/summaries of the Lincoln / Douglas debates.
True, however, the civil rights movement did.
Oh. True.
Why the hell was this comment downvoted?
Because it was a disagreement with Old_Gold, who is the same person as Eugine_Nier and Azathoth123 and VoiceOfRa and TheLion, and who is not in this for the sake of mutually beneficial debate but in order to fight a culture war, and that's what he does.
Um, this is just plain wrong historically: "I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, ... and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. ... I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman, or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between [blacks] and white men." --Abraham Lincoln
It's not at all clear that this is the case. Alcohol consumption before Prohibition was quite high, and this was definitely a significant social problem. One could even make the case that Prohibition was in some sense successful; some studies estimate that alcohol consumption after repeal was as much as 20% lower compared to the pre-Prohibition level.