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Comment author: ChristianKl 28 February 2016 07:30:31AM 0 points [-]

People who believe that free competition between goods and companies will lead to high social utility are also likely to believe that free competition between ideas will lead to high social utility.

What evidence do you have for that claim to be true?

Capitalists have more faith in the free market than Marxists do.

That really depends on how you define the terms. Marx thought that free markets are really powerful. Powerful enough that change via democratic institutions is impossible and the only possible way to create systematic political change is through violent revolution.

C. Republicans have more faith in the free market than Democrats do.

That depends really on the issue and the people involved.

Trump thinks that the free market does work less well internationally than Clinton and has to free trade as currently practiced is bad for the US.

Republicans on the whole are more opposed to the act of sex being sold on the free market.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 01 March 2016 07:16:19AM *  0 points [-]

What evidence do you have for that claim to be true?

The comment, and the original statement in the post, which you are replying to, is the proposed evidence. I'm not setting forth A as evidence to prove something else; I'm setting forth other evidence in favor of A.

You're right that Republicans aren't pure libertarians. Here's a poll saying that Democrats currently support free trade more than Republicans do.

Foreign trade shouldn't be included for this purpose, however. "Belief in the free market" means believing that a free market maximizes social utility for everyone participating in the market. When considering foreign trade, a US politician isn't considering utility for the world; they're considering utility for the US. It is not inconsistent to believe that free markets maximize total utility, and also to believe that the US can benefit more (though necessarily at the expense of others) from restricted foreign trade than from free trade.

Comment author: ChristianKl 01 March 2016 05:27:03PM 0 points [-]

That's not much different than saying that the 1% get a slice of the cake that's too large and we need regulation, so that more wealth get's distributed to the 99%.

That also still leaves the example of prostitution where more Demorcrats than Republicans are in favor of a free market.

Both Republicans and Democrats don't have context independent views on free markets. It always depends on the case.