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Glen comments on Rationality Quotes Thread March 2016 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Torchlight_Crimson 16 March 2016 01:35:13AM 0 points [-]

The corporate world is predatory, and the mercenary class of executives are certainly in it for no one but themselves, but for sheer thievery, I think only the financial industry can even begin to compete with the non-profit world. At least the corporations have to deliver to their customers on some level, or they go out of business.

Not so the non-profit charities and foundations, which often seem to exist primarily to provide those who run them a very good living.

Vox Day

Comment author: Glen 16 March 2016 02:30:25PM 3 points [-]

The closest thing to rationality content I can pull from this is "just because a thing looks good, doesn't mean it is good". However, the source page lists a grand total of one corrupt non-profit. You can find one bad version of anything, no matter how good or bad the whole group is. You could probably even find a hundred such examples, just from population size and base rate alone. Vox doesn't attempt to check if he is right, he doesn't even list a few examples. He just lists a single instance of a probably corrupt non-profit and, pleased with his own cynicism and insight, declares he they has found a pattern. This is a good example of what not to do, and an important failure mode to watch out for, but you are presenting it as though it were rational rather than a cautionary tale.

Comment author: Torchlight_Crimson 16 March 2016 09:02:18PM 3 points [-]

Think of it as an exercise in looking at the incentives people in various situations have. You may want to start by examening the sentence:

At least the corporations have to deliver to their customers on some level, or they go out of business.

Comment author: Lumifer 16 March 2016 02:53:42PM 1 point [-]

The closest thing to rationality content I can pull from this is "just because a thing looks good, doesn't mean it is good".

Look closer. It's a comment about organizations which exist mostly for the benefits of their employees. One might call them parasites.

Comment author: Glen 16 March 2016 03:18:52PM 1 point [-]

He lists a single "parasitic" non-profit, and then declares the entire field of non-profits to be corrupt thieves on the scale of the financial sector. This post is explicitly about his disgust with the "non-profit world", and he pretty clearly believes that this sort of this is common despite providing no strong evidence in support of that belief. That is his mistake, generalizing from a single example with no additional evidence provided or even discussed.

Comment author: Lumifer 16 March 2016 03:38:49PM -2 points [-]

That is his mistake, generalizing from a single example with no additional evidence provided

It's a quote. Most quotes generalize and don't provide or discuss evidence.

Comment author: Glen 16 March 2016 04:09:04PM 4 points [-]

By he I meant Vox. I read the linked post, and it makes all these mistakes. I wouldn't expect a quote to include a full argument or evidence base, but the source ideally should.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 19 March 2016 06:31:33PM 1 point [-]

Most quotes have a justification lurking about somewhere, either within the quote itself, or in shared experience. A quote that's just an unsubstantiated claim shouldn't be quoted.

Comment author: Lumifer 21 March 2016 02:51:49PM *  0 points [-]

Most quotes have a justification lurking about somewhere, either within the quote itself, or in shared experience.

"Shared experience" is the most common, I think, and is conveniently unfalsifiable.