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ChristianKl comments on Open Thread March 7 - March 13, 2016 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Viliam 07 March 2016 08:22:00PM *  3 points [-]

Similarly to you, unless the rich people use their money to abuse me, I care more about my absolute than relative wealth. My struggles are not with comparing myself to other people, but with getting what I want. Give me everything I want, and I won't care if you give other people 10 times more.

To me it has profound implications about what kind of economic world we should strive for -- if most folks are like me, the current system is fine.

If you took the wealth existing today and distributed it more flatly, many people would have higher absolute wealth. So I don't see how caring about absolute wealth makes current system fine.

We do have the data point that a capitalist economy provides higher average wealth than a communist one. But that doesn't imply that e.g. a capitalist economy with basic income couldn't provide even more. (Maybe the problem with communism was lack of competition and the micromanagement of everything by political nitwits, not the flatter distribution of wealth per se.)

Comment author: ChristianKl 08 March 2016 07:07:44PM 0 points [-]

My struggles are not with comparing myself to other people, but with getting what I want. Give me everything I want, and I won't care if you give other people 10 times more.

Do you think what the people around you have doesn't effect what you want?

Comment author: Viliam 08 March 2016 09:49:32PM *  1 point [-]

To some degree it does, but often doesn't. For example, many people around me are obsessed with travelling to exotic countries. I am okay with staying home, or I travel to meet interesting people, but the idea of travelling to the opposite side of planet just to see a beach or a jungle seems completely silly. Some people spend a lot of money on fashion. Many people love to eat and drink in restaurants; I am okay with soylent. I only bought a smartphone because I wanted to develop mobile games. If the mass transit is reliable, I don't want a car.

Things that I value most are: having free time, and talking with interesting people. Also having a computer with internet connection, but that is relatively cheap today. If I would win a lottery, I would mostly try to achieve the situation where I never have to work for money again. (That doesn't mean I wouldn't do anything productive. It just means I would be doing things that I choose to do, and doing them my way.)

Comment author: ChristianKl 09 March 2016 08:31:25AM 0 points [-]

Attending conferences is a way to get to talk with a lot of interesting people. Seats at the TED conference or LeWeb are expensive and limited.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 10 March 2016 04:48:32AM 1 point [-]

Is that an optimal way of finding interesting people to talk with?

Comment author: Viliam 09 March 2016 09:06:13AM 0 points [-]

I guess the question is, if other people would get a lot of money, what fraction of that would go into competing for resources I care about. (I assume it's smaller than 10%, but I didn't think about this too much.) Then I wouldn't want other people to become so rich that even that fraction of their income would be higher than my whole income.