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Vaniver comments on AlphaGo versus Lee Sedol - Less Wrong Discussion

17 Post author: gjm 09 March 2016 12:22PM

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Comment author: ChristianKl 09 March 2016 04:58:53PM 0 points [-]

"I think move A is a 12 point swing, and move B is a 10 point swing, but move B narrows the search tree for future moves in a way that I think will net me at least 2 more points."

No. 2 points is a lot at that level. If the commentator would think a move cost 2 points he wouldn't call it conversative but he would call it an error.

Not playing out every move is more about keeping aji open and not wasting possible ko threads. Unfortunately I don't know how to translate aji into English.

Comment author: Vaniver 09 March 2016 07:28:32PM *  1 point [-]

No. 2 points is a lot at that level. If the commentator would think a move cost 2 points he wouldn't call it conversative but he would call it an error.

I think B actually results in more points overall, which is why it would play it; my curiosity is what fraction is due to direct effects vs. indirect effects.

For example, one could imagine the board position evaluation function being different for different timing schemes. If you're playing a blitz game where both players have 10 seconds to play each turn, some positions might move from mildly favoring black to strongly favoring black because white needs to do a bunch of thinking to navigate the game tree successfully.

Comment author: ChristianKl 10 March 2016 09:21:56AM 0 points [-]

It's no blitz game and there plenty of time to think through moves.

Just for the record at my prime I used to play Go at around 2 kyu.