You're looking at Less Wrong's discussion board. This includes all posts, including those that haven't been promoted to the front page yet. For more information, see About Less Wrong.

skeptical_lurker comments on After Go, what games should be next for DeepMind? - Less Wrong Discussion

4 Post author: InquilineKea 10 March 2016 08:49PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (73)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 11 March 2016 08:40:01AM 4 points [-]

Games have to be fun which means that the goal of the AI is to gracefully lose to the human player after making him exert some effort.

The problem is that most RTS games stand no chance against me or any other half-descent player, unless they are cheating. And when they cheat, the game is very much brute force vs strategy.

I've been playing "Ultimate general: Gettysburg", which was touted as having put a lot off effort into AI, and which paid off - when I play it on the highest difficulty settings, I can still win convincingly, but it does feel like I am playing an incompitant human, rather than an artificial stupidity. Its far more enjoyable to play.

Comment author: Lumifer 11 March 2016 03:50:11PM 2 points [-]

The problem is that most RTS games stand no chance against me or any other half-descent player

Sure. Consider that the game has to run on your sucky home computer (or, <deity> forbid, a console), most likely without a GPU. The strategy/tactics/behaviour code has to share the CPU cycles with a large variety of things including the uninteresting but vital functions like pathfinding and it has to make its decisions within the tick time which is a fraction of second. AND many players prefer the AI to be a pushover, anyway.

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 13 March 2016 06:14:20PM 1 point [-]

I think gaming machines generally do have GPUs...

Of course, the GPU is also running the graphics, but the computer doesn't need to play well enough to beat world champions - I'm pretty sure that Alpha Go running on one CPU+GPU could play at a strong amateur level.

Comment author: Lumifer 14 March 2016 02:36:32PM 1 point [-]

I think gaming machines generally do have GPUs

Of course, but mass-market games like Starcraft are designed to perform decently on the run-of-the-mill machines with integrated graphics.