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ChristianKl comments on The Thyroid Madness : Core Argument, Evidence, Probabilities and Predictions - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: johnlawrenceaspden 16 March 2016 05:13:36PM *  0 points [-]

No worries about sounding harsh! I declared Crocker's Rules, so I'm explicitly asking you to optimise for communication and not worry about offending me. And I very much appreciate you taking the time to tell me things I don't know.

I'd be surprised if pig's thyroid cured a mitochondrial myopathy.

That's exactly what I'm saying! The action of T3 seems to be to control ATP recycling in the mitochondria. Sarah Myhill's beautiful paper to my mind proves almost beyond doubt that that's the problem in CFS. This is what I mean by 'every time I look for disconfirming evidence, I find new reasons to believe'.

I know that I sound like a crank. That's because I am a crank. I am a member of several at-risk groups for Arrogant Overconfidence Disorder, which I strongly suspect to be related to hypothyroidism in some way. Others have suggested that I am under a certain amount of 'stress'.

CFS/FMS and hypothyroidism are much more similar than most diseases, to the point where out of a fabulous number of possibilities I was trying to fit to what was wrong with me, hypothyroidism looked instantly like what I had, despite the fact that I'd not only had the test for it, but the test was bang in the middle of the normal range. And I think the CDC agree. One of the diagnostic criteria is explicitly that hypothyroidism have been ruled out (haven't checked this, just a memory).

But also, doesn't the fact that all diseases look similar strike you as suspicious? As I understand it that was the whole reason for the 'stress' theory in the first place.

Let me think about the logic for a while, I'll get back to you.


OK, logic looks fine. I really need to know if that bit's wrong. It means my mind is broken.

If they're not differently caused then they have the same cause. And if that's true, then in one case the TSH test is picking it up, and in the other it's not. So the test is not doing what it's supposed to.


Suppose diabetes was diagnosed by insulin levels instead of blood glucose. And there were two sets of patients, who had roughly the same symptoms, but one lot weren't treated because the insulin test showed that their problems weren't diabetes.

Would you not say that the insulin test was broken?

We should be looking for the 'blood glucose' for hypothyroidism. And as a very lot of people have been claiming since 1940, that's 'slow metabolism'.


I really hate arguing by analogy. But it seems people don't understand unless I do, and I'm now arguing to persuade. Not of the truth of the hypotheses, but of their plausibility.

The sciences I trained for would leap on this. Medical Science has left it uninvestigated (to say the least) since 1970. Whether I'm right or not, that's careless.

And if I'm right.... Jesus Christ.

Comment author: ChristianKl 16 March 2016 11:11:18PM 1 point [-]

But also, doesn't the fact that all diseases look similar strike you as suspicious?

Today we have people saying that cancer isn't a single illness and people trying to make distinction within broad categories of illnesses.

I think there's a good chance that depression isn't a single illness and a lot of our present disease categories aren't.