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Lumifer comments on Open thread, Mar. 14 - Mar. 20, 2016 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Lumifer 14 March 2016 07:08:06PM *  1 point [-]

No, that's why I'd like to see it tried.

Do you think that trying could have considerable costs? Russia tried communism, that... didn't turn out well.

One possibility is too find a new equilibrium where the least attractive a job is, the better the advantages for doing

Why new? That's precisely how the current equilibrium works (where advantages == money).

You forgot the second part

You didn't answer the question.

And In a perfect capitalistic society, you have a choice between working or starving

Why capitalistic? In your black-and-white picture that would be true for all human societies except for socialist ones. Under capitalism you could at least live off your capital if/when you have some.

I would go for less incentives that in our current society personally.

So why would anyone come to unclog your toilet?

Comment author: Lyyce 14 March 2016 07:53:45PM *  -1 points [-]

Do you think that trying could have considerable costs? Russia tried communism, that... didn't turn out well.

It could, incremental changes, or doing it on a smaller case would mitigate the costs. A "partial" basic income already exist in several European countries, where even when not contributing to society you are given enough to subsist. The results are not too bad so far.

Why new? That's precisely how the current equilibrium works (where advantages == money).

You are right, it would just be different jobs having the most value

Why capitalistic? In your black-and-white picture that would be true for all human societies except for socialist ones. Under capitalism you could at least live off your capital if/when you have some.

Is any system where people are automatically given subsistence socialist? Because it is the only thing I have talked about.

You didn't answer the question.

Money, but with a cost for not being a producer smaller than today (aka no comfort rather than no subsistence)

So why would anyone come to unclog your toilet?

For money, same as today

Comment author: Lumifer 14 March 2016 08:34:48PM 1 point [-]

Is any system where people are automatically given subsistence socialist?

What non-socialist societies which unconditionally provided subsistence to all its members, sufficient to live on, do you know other than a few oil-rich sheikhdoms?