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Lumifer comments on Genetic "Nature" is cultural too - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Lumifer 18 March 2016 03:40:53PM 1 point [-]

You might want to distinguish between abilities and outcomes. What's heritable is abilities. The environment determines how these abilities get translated into outcomes.

This does get confusing because some abilities are hard to measure directly and because a lot of studies do look at outcomes (which, of course, are easier to observe). But when thinking about such things you should keep the difference in your mind.

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 18 March 2016 04:13:37PM 0 points [-]

That's the problem - abilities include "being better at your job" and "seeming to be better at your job", both of which correspond to better individual outcomes, but not both better for outcomes overall.

Comment author: Lumifer 18 March 2016 04:49:55PM *  1 point [-]

That's the problem - abilities include "being better at your job" and "seeming to be better at your job", both of which correspond to better individual outcomes

But what exactly is the problem? Yes, multiple different abilities can lead to the same outcomes so you can't identify a specific ability just by looking at the outcome. But that's how the world works. There are ways to estimate which ability led to this outcome, but they typically involve more effort. I assume you're familiar with the causality field (Pearl, etc.)

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 18 March 2016 09:53:56PM 0 points [-]

But what exactly is the problem?

Well, not exactly a problem per se, but it transforms an area with a clear though simplified narrative, into a minefield of special cases.

Comment author: Lumifer 21 March 2016 02:43:08PM 1 point [-]

it transforms an area with a clear though simplified narrative, into a minefield of special cases.

If the "clear though simplified narrative" is wrong, that's a good thing :-)

Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 22 March 2016 11:00:04AM 0 points [-]

It's a good thing to know, but it's not a good thing :-)