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Lumifer comments on The Thyroid Madness: Two Apparently Contradictory Studies. Proof? - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Lumifer 15 April 2016 07:47:30PM *  1 point [-]

"If we hand this out to fat, tired people with dry skin, does it work?". And the answer to that is: "On average they can't tell the difference between that and placebo.

I'm confused. Aren't these clinical symptoms of hypothyroidism?

Besides, "works / doesn't work" seems like a too crude approach. There is a large middle zone of "works for some people some of the time" and there you have roll up your sleeves and get into the messy details which might still not give you enough information to be able to predict for which people at which time your treatment will work (or not).

The "theoretically correct" approach would be, I think, to do a deep dive into biochemistry and figure out all the links in the mechanism connecting the T levels in the blood with the activity of the mitochondria. Once you do that, figuring out which link is broken in a particular patient subset shouldn't be too hard. But the initial research, mapping out the chain of effects, looks daunting.

Comment author: johnlawrenceaspden 15 April 2016 08:29:52PM 0 points [-]

I'm confused. Aren't these clinical symptoms of hypothyroidism?

Ah. They are clinical symptoms of hypothyroidism. But they are also symptoms of all sorts of other things. In fact they are symptoms that occur in people who have nothing wrong with them at all.

To diagnose it by clinical symptoms you have to be much more careful than that! See e.g. Billewicz paper.

More specific symptoms were apparently things like ankle tendon reflex, and cholesterol levels, but you need to be really careful. The disease was known as 'the great imitator'. It's easy to confuse with other things, and diagnosing it was really difficult and a job for trained professionals.

I got the impression that if they had strong suspicions, they'd just try thyroid hormones and see if they worked.