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MrMind comments on Open Thread May 2 - May 8, 2016 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Daniel_Burfoot 04 May 2016 02:02:56PM 8 points [-]

Though I enthusiastically endorse the concept of rationality, I often find myself coming to conclusions about Big Picture issues that are quite foreign to the standard LW conclusions. For example, I am not signed up for cryonics even though I accept the theoretical arguments in favor of it, and I am not worried about unfriendly AI even though I accept most of EY's arguments.

I think the main reason is that I am 10x more pessimistic about the health of human civilization than most other rationalists. I'm not a cryonicist because I don't think companies like Alcor can survive the long period of stagnation that humanity is headed towards. I don't worry about UFAI because I don't think our civilization has the capability to achieve AI. It's not that I think AI is spectacularly hard, I just don't think we can do Hard Things anymore.

Now, I don't know whether my pessimism is more rational than others' optimism. LessWrong, and rationalists in general, probably have a blind spot relative to questions of civilizational inadequacy because those questions relate to political issues, and we don't talk about politics. Is there a way we can discuss civilizational issues without becoming mind-killed? Or do we simply have to accept that civilizational issues are going to create a large error bar of uncertainty around our predictions?

Comment author: MrMind 05 May 2016 07:08:03AM 2 points [-]

Is there a way we can discuss civilizational issues without becoming mind-killed?

Sure there is. Start with the usual rationalist mantra: what do you believe? Why do you believe it?
How would you describe this Great Stagnation? Why do you believe we are headed towards this?
And let us pick up from there.