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Comment author: Lumifer 05 May 2016 07:00:32PM 2 points [-]

it means guiding your experiences to the world-state you prefer

What does this mean? The straightforward interpretation is "reshape the world to your liking".

And if this isn't pretty deeply tied to truth-seeking, you probably have pretty trivial terminal goals.

Counterexample: election debates.

In general, sometimes you want to figure out the truth, but sometimes you need to remove roadblocks. In the latter case winning doesn't have much to do with truth-seeking and that does not imply the triviality of the terminal goals.

Comment author: MrMind 06 May 2016 09:56:34AM 1 point [-]

Counterexample: election debates.

Uhm... you still need to know what truly persuade potential electors. In a formula:

truth-seeking =/= truth-telling

Comment author: Lumifer 06 May 2016 02:30:25PM 1 point [-]

you still need to know what truly persuade potential electors

Yes, but you don't find it in a debate with your opponent.

There is time to figure out what to do, and there is time to just do it.

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