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ArisKatsaris comments on Newcomb versus dust specks - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: ArisKatsaris 19 May 2016 05:52:27PM 0 points [-]

How is it not possible? When force is allowed, the hired people

Why would you hire people to stop you from drinking it, if you intend to drink it, since you know that hiring such people will increase the chances you will end up not drinking it?

I get your point, though - convincing someone to later convince you already carries massive penalties

NO! That's not my point. My point isn't whether it's expensive or difficult to hire someone, My point is that you don't want to hire someone. Because you intend to drink the toxin, and hiring someone to stop you from doing that doesn't match your intention.

Comment author: Pimgd 19 May 2016 10:44:20PM 0 points [-]

If I intend to do my best at an exam tomorrow, but stay up late playing games, does this somehow lift my intention to do well on my exam?

By the original problem statement, I have to have the intention of taking the poison AT midnight. Rephrased - when it is midnight, I must intend to take the poison that next day. BEFORE midnight, it is allowed to have OTHER intentions. I intend to use that time to set up hurdles for myself - and then to try my hardest. It would be especially helpful if these hurdles are also things like tricking myself that it won't actually hurt (via transquilizer to put me under straight afterward, for instance).

I know it sounds like doublethink, but that's only if you think there is no difference between me before midnight and me after midnight.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 20 May 2016 06:44:58AM *  0 points [-]

By the original problem statement, I have to have the intention of taking the poison AT midnight. Rephrased - when it is midnight, I must intend to take the poison that next day. BEFORE midnight, it is allowed to have OTHER intentions. I intend to use that time to set up hurdles for myself - and then to try my hardest.

If you can change your intentions like that, that's indeed a fine solution.

I'm not sure that a human mind can, though. Most human minds anyway.