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-18 Post author: pwno 16 June 2016 08:33AM

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Comment author: pwno 23 June 2016 08:16:46AM 1 point [-]

Funny you mention that anecdote because I actually wrote it http://lesswrong.com/lw/1l/the_mystery_of_the_haunted_rationalist/w9

Human brains aren't very good at detaching themselves from their actions

Isn't that what rationality is supposed to reduce?

Comment author: ChristianKl 23 June 2016 01:05:44PM *  1 point [-]

Isn't that what rationality is supposed to reduce?

No, rationality is about winning. Having certain values isn't irrational.

If you value your belief that's there are no ghost then it's irrational to be scared by ghosts.

The relationship of most of us to democracy is different. We generally do value it and think the rituals of democracy are valuable for our society.

Comment author: pwno 23 June 2016 07:41:20PM 0 points [-]

If you value your belief that's there are no ghost then it's irrational to be scared by ghosts.

Are you talking about "real" ghosts? You shouldn't be afraid of real ghosts because they don't exist, not because you value your belief that there are no ghosts. Why should beliefs have any value for you beyond their accuracy?

Comment author: gjm 23 June 2016 10:22:34AM -2 points [-]

I actually wrote it

Oh, very good! I wonder why I thought it was Eliezer. I see that he endorsed the idea, anyway. But I think my objection to it still stands (and is closely related to the one I expressed two comments upthread here).

Isn't that what rationality is supposed to reduce?

Inter alia, yes. But the step from "rationality is supposed to reduce X" to "I will act as if X has been reduced to negligibility" is not a valid one.

Comment author: pwno 23 June 2016 08:31:30PM 0 points [-]

Inter alia, yes. But the step from "rationality is supposed to reduce X" to "I will act as if X has been reduced to negligibility" is not a valid one.

Well, isn't that a good technique to reduce X? Obviously not in all cases, but I think it's a valid technique in the cases we're talking about.

Comment author: gjm 23 June 2016 09:13:09PM -2 points [-]

Certainly, as you say, not in all cases. I don't see any very good reason to think it would be effective in this case. Apparently you do; what's that reason?

Comment author: pwno 23 June 2016 09:41:28PM 0 points [-]

In the case of voting for Trump and writing the note in the Wailing Wall, I think there's little to no risk of having it change your prior beliefs or weaken your self-deception defense mechanisms. They both require you to be dishonest about something that clashes with so many other strong beliefs that it's highly unlikely to contaminate your belief system. The more dangerous lies are the ones that don't clash as much with your other beliefs.